2L Winter (2021) Toronto Recruit PFOs/ITCs

[TorontoLaw17 28]

5 minutes ago, catgirl2022 said:

While I do think people should be happy about landing a job, I think there could be a more appropriate way to share news with others in private. Also rather than posting an “I’m so happy to announce that x, y, z”, ppl could just update their work experience section when they start their summer jobs. Humility is so important, especially in a recruitment process like OCIs that are quite based on luck. (Full disclosure: I’m posting as someone who did secure a job but won’t be humble bragging on LinkedIn lol) 

okay well they can also share it publicly. why would it be more appropriate privately? it's a dumb process, people complain every year, and people know what they're in for. we can be happy for people who did land. it's not about humility, people aren't trying to rub it in your face. they're trying to share and feel proud of an accomplishment (one that sooner or later others in the class will have as well). 

[easttowest 1790]

14 minutes ago, TorontoLaw17 said:

people deserve to share things they're happy about too lol we can't cater to the world. everyone who comes into recruit knows there is a chance (maybe even a high chance) that they won't land a job. but hopefully as law students they should know there's a ton of great opportunities outside of the formal recruit. let's not make people feel bad for feeling they've landed the job of their dreams? everyone else will eventually land, too. 

This is the wrong take. 
 

But maybe I’m just too old.

 

[easttowest 1790]

1 minute ago, TorontoLaw17 said:

okay well they can also share it publicly. why would it be more appropriate privately? it's a dumb process, people complain every year, and people know what they're in for. we can be happy for people who did land. it's not about humility, people aren't trying to rub it in your face. they're trying to share and feel proud of an accomplishment (one that sooner or later others in the class will have as well). 

It used to be you’d rather your good things be found out by others. That’s how you knew they were good. 
 

Like I said. I’m just too old. 

[TorontoLaw17 28]

Just now, easttowest said:

This is the wrong take. 
 

But maybe I’m just too old.

 

you're entitled to that opinion. at the end of the day, people need to realize the world keeps spinning and focus on their own success. they'll realize sooner or later who got jobs and where lol 

[catgirl2022 27]

38 minutes ago, TorontoLaw17 said:

okay well they can also share it publicly. why would it be more appropriate privately? it's a dumb process, people complain every year, and people know what they're in for. we can be happy for people who did land. it's not about humility, people aren't trying to rub it in your face. they're trying to share and feel proud of an accomplishment (one that sooner or later others in the class will have as well). 

I think it has to do with timing (call day was literally yesterday and I’m sure wounds are still fresh) and just being a good sport. Of course ppl should be happy and proud of their accomplishments, but to openly brag about winning something so sought after, so soon after the recruit, is a bit much. And yes everyone will land a job eventually, but having empathy for others and taking other ppl’s feelings into consideration can go a long way  

[Jyeatbvg 152]

58 minutes ago, TorontoLaw17 said:

okay well they can also share it publicly. why would it be more appropriate privately? it's a dumb process, people complain every year, and people know what they're in for. we can be happy for people who did land. it's not about humility, people aren't trying to rub it in your face. they're trying to share and feel proud of an accomplishment (one that sooner or later others in the class will have as well). 

Ehhhh not sure about that 

[BlockedQuebecois 5216]

I’ve long (and vocally) thought the law school obsession with keeping quiet about your career successes was a foolish and performative exercise designed to protect the delicate egos of law students. Law students, despite essentially all identifying as “type A” personalities, are deeply insecure and terrified others will be better than them at... well, anything. I think people shouldn’t be afraid to ask how others did in the recruit or share their own experiences one-on-one. 

With that said, @easttowest is right about publicizing your successes. If your accomplishment is an accomplishment, people will find out about it. I know everyone in my class that got a job I think is remotely interesting. There’s no need to post about it on LinkedIn the day you secure it, and, to be honest, I assume those who do are themselves insecure and in need of validation. 

Humblebrag by updating your LinkedIn profile when you start your new gig like the rest of us. 

Edited March 6 by BlockedQuebecois

[erinl2 4965]

Perhaps students should avoid LinkedIn during recruitment. If you're not looking to see what someone may have posted, you won't become annoyed. 

Look, I get that the process is stressful and disappointing to many. Actually, to the majority. And that's something that students who participate seem to forget, or ignore, going into it. Most students will not get a job through OCIs. It's something that is obvious but something that many think will never happen to them. 

Another thing to remember, and, seriously, do remember this, is that this is not a reflection on you or your abilities in this career going forward. I have run the recruitment process for my firm for several years and I can tell you, without any exaggeration, that we could fill our available spots many times over with accomplished candidates. Our firm is not unique in that regard. 

Take a few days and be angry, disappointed, dismayed and then start to focus on other opportunities, many of which will end up being more interesting, more fulfilling, and the wiser choice for many of you. 

[healthlaw 1094]

Came to share my unsolicited opinion that the LinkedIn posts are 100% cringe. And the trend seems to have caught on because that’s my entire feed lol

To me it screams “I need external validation” and humblebrag. Back in my day our humble brag was to change to our title to “summer law students at x” after our first day. 

[boat 74]

34 minutes ago, healthlaw said:

Came to share my unsolicited opinion that the LinkedIn posts are 100% cringe. And the trend seems to have caught on because that’s my entire feed lol

To me it screams “I need external validation” and humblebrag. Back in my day our humble brag was to change to our title to “summer law students at x” after our first day. 

Agreed. Why on earth do you need to tell people you got hired by posting a 4000 x 4000 pixel image of your new employer's logo?

I even saw one man post an instagram story on Thursday saying "so tired from all my zooms today".

Edited March 6 by boat

[hmyo 283]

9 hours ago, TorontoLaw17 said:

people deserve to share things they're happy about too lol we can't cater to the world. everyone who comes into recruit knows there is a chance (maybe even a high chance) that they won't land a job. but hopefully as law students they should know there's a ton of great opportunities outside of the formal recruit. let's not make people feel bad for feeling they've landed the job of their dreams? everyone else will eventually land, too. 

maybe at least wait until you actually start day 1 of your position?

i know my firm and hearing my peers (their firm also) actually frowns down upon 2L students doing this (but cannot police it obviously)

[Adapt 21]

Agree that the LinkedIn posts are cringe. Many remind me of some kind of Oscar acceptance speech.

[Jyeatbvg 152]

Saw this posted on my LinkedIn feed (bolded the important part):

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I’m proud to announce that I have not guaranteed an internship yet for this summer.

You’re not reading this wrong.

How do these posts make you feel? I'm sure you’re happy for your connection but doubt you feel great inside.

When I joined LinkedIn 2 years ago, I made a promise to myself that I would only post meaningful, valuable and relatable content that wouldn’t make anyone feel jealous of me, compare themselves or feel less worthy. Comparison is the theft of joy so why make someone feel horrible? That is the worst thing I could ever do to someone.

This is the only social media platform I'm on for a reason. It is a professional network but that doesn't mean only flaunting accomplishments. It's being relatable and a storyteller.

If I have something to celebrate, I do it on my own and understand there's always another position.

Why am I not nervous about the summer?

I always have a back up plan. I’m not relying on a company to keep me financially afloat. As a college student, I have several passive income sources, a business, blog, a network to tap into and myself to invest in as an asset during this crazy job market.

Never equate your title or bad luck to your self worth. There’s always a position waiting for you and that starts with finding how to work for yourself.

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[OzStudent 129]

3 hours ago, Adapt said:

Agree that the LinkedIn posts are cringe. Many remind me of some kind of Oscar acceptance speech.

I'm not too disturbed by it. Many law students are incredibly excited to have achieved a professional goal, and in many ways, Linkedin is exactly the platform for this type of thing. 

Not everyone who has landed summer offers are elite, privileged students looking to rub it in. I've seen a lot of great posts from students who are immigrants, who came from a lower socio-economic background, or overcame some other obstacle to reach a goal they've no doubt been working hard towards. Some are excited to share the news. Others have decided to stay quiet about it in order to respect friends/classmates. It's a personal decision.

I always see a wave of announcements following consulting or finance recruiting from MBA or undergraduate business students, or from US law firm hiring. In fact, many employers prompt new hires to make a Linkedin post about it. Oh man, some posts are indeed very cringe - but for the most part, no one is offended. 

Edited March 6 by OzStudent

[WindsorHopeful 323]

2 hours ago, OzStudent said:

I'm not too disturbed by it. Many law students are incredibly excited to have achieved a professional goal, and in many ways, Linkedin is exactly the platform for this type of thing.

I could not agree more. Why not just be happy for the students posting about their summer jobs? They are proud, and they deserve to be. 

Its crazy to me to think that students should hold off on posting on Linkedin in case of it upsetting someone who wasn't able to get a position. It sucks, but the posts don't change anyone's situation and the students upset by this should not take it personally. 

[easttowest 1790]

^ to be clear, that’s not why it bothers me. 
 

[Adapt 21]

To be clear, I am not offended by these posts. I am happy for the students that got these positions. I also recognize that many of these students worked hard and have inspiring stories; however, I feel many people have a story about why they are so deserving, even those who have not yet landed positions. I just feel there are better ways to be inspiring and respectful at the same time.
 

Regardless, my concern is not about any one individual post, but about a phenomenon. A situation is being created whereby now if you don’t post are you going to be seen as not thankful? 
 

I do also recognize the importance of not coddling the delicate law student ego and having people face reality, which is why in my original post, I mentioned not being sure if this unspoken rule about keeping your excitement under wraps was a good thing or a bad thing. If society feels we are benefiting from all these humblebrags then so be it. I just generally feel the balance tips the other way.

[kittenlover 15]

20 minutes ago, WindsorHopeful said:

I could not agree more. Why not just be happy for the students posting about their summer jobs? They are proud, and they deserve to be. 

Its crazy to me to think that students should hold off on posting on Linkedin in case of it upsetting someone who wasn't able to get a position. It sucks, but the posts don't change anyone's situation and the students upset by this should not take it personally. 

Why not just be considerate of other people and their experience? If you know it will sadden someone who is going through a tough time, why not just celebrate your success privately? 
 

Yes they deserve to be proud; no one is saying they shouldn’t be. I think people are just asking that those successful post recruit show some humility and consideration. I truly do not mean to be rude but I simply do not understand why it’s so hard to just hold off? 
 

why does it matter so much that people know you got a summer job at your dream firm? Just be proud of yourself. 

[hmyo 283]

 

don't conflate things. it's not just about protecting fellow 2L feelings. announcing this stuff like you just found the cure for covid is just so extra and cringe.

 

I assure you every associate group is screenshooting these speeches and just laughing. 

[Psychometronic 582]

4 minutes ago, Adapt said:

 

I do also recognize the importance of not coddling the delicate law student ego and having people face reality, which is why in my original post, I mentioned not being sure if this unspoken rule about keeping your excitement under wraps was a good thing or a bad thing. If society feels we are benefiting from all these humblebrags then so be it. I just generally feel the balance tips the other way.

Unless your firm is expecting a public show of gratitude, texting/calling your friends and family is also a great way to share your excitement. No one is saying you need to keep your excitement to yourself necessarily but showing some courtesy to one’s peers is an important consideration. Where one chooses to strike that balance is clearly contentious.