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2L Van&TO ; C+ in legal ethics and professionalism

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UVIC student here, just got my grades and ended up with a dreaded C+ in legal ethics and professionalism. The rest of my grades are B+/ and an A- in business associations... I’m not sure what I want to hear at this point, I suppose I just want to hear some advice from those who have any experience with this as I approach the 2L recruit for Van and Toronto. 
 

I promise I’m not an unscrupulous person.... despite what my grade is for LEaP.. 😕 

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Don't even bother applying. It's doomed. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Don't worry too much, people with one C range grade not only can get OCI/summer job, they can even get clerkship.

On the other hand,  there is no guarantee of anything in OCI with your grades, people with A- average or higher got strike out from OCI too. 

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1 hour ago, criseaster55 said:

Don't worry too much, people with one C range grade not only can get OCI/summer job, they can even get clerkship.

On the other hand,  there is no guarantee of anything in OCI with your grades, people with A- average or higher got strike out from OCI too. 

This is true. 

The only good advice is to apply, with confidence, and see where that takes you.

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I'm confused - you're going to UVIC and have already received your grades? You got a grade in the pass/fail ethics course? 🤔 

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If your overall GPA is still good then I don't think it'll have much of an impact, if any. You might be asked about it in an interview, and you should probably just be honest and say something like "I didn't take the course seriously enough and focused on my other exams" or whatever it was that resulted in a C+ in ethics.

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There have been a few posts lately about how to move forward after getting a disappointing grade. Follow up with your prof to see where things went wrong. For some applications, you may want to consider addressing it head-on in your cover letter. For others, hopefully your relevant courses and the strength of your application will speak for itself. 

On a personal note, it happens to everyone. I got a C+ in family law in 2L and it made for a good laugh during some interviews (I did not apply to family law firms). It was a closed book exam where we had to do equalization payments manually, which was stupid because: (1) they are done using computer software in practice; and (2) I didn't attend law school to do math... that's what accountants/clerks/others are for! 

My math skills have since improved and I went on to prosecute many complex mortgage and bankruptcy fraud cases and, even more terrifyingly, I am the lawyer in charge of our trust account reporting obligations to the LSO on behalf of the firm so there is hope for everyone!

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12 minutes ago, Viszlaw said:

On a personal note, it happens to everyone. I got a C+ in family law in 2L and it made for a good laugh during some interviews (I did not apply to family law firms). It was a closed book exam where we had to do equalization payments manually, which was stupid because: (1) they are done using computer software in practice; and (2) I didn't attend law school to do math... that's what accountants/clerks/others are for! 

I got a C+ in IP and had a good laugh over it during an interview with a tech/IP firm. I actually would have worked at that firm if not for covid (they informed me I was the only candidate they were considering but had to freeze hiring, then I took an offer elsewhere).

The partner who interviewed me was an IP specialist with an advanced STEM degree. He was satisfied with my explanation that I took IP because I have a strong interested in copyright and trademark (which is true), but the course ended up being almost entirely patents. The partner laughed and said his wife experienced the inverse situation in law school - she liked patents but got a bad IP grade because the course was all copyright.

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Can't remember the exact grade but I got under 60% in one of my 1L classes. The career services office helped me think up of a way to address it in case I got asked about it during OCIs, but it never came up! 

So my advice is prepare something to say about it (explain, don't excuse, and what you've learned from it) in case you get asked during the interview process, and apply as broadly and confidently as you would have if you had received a better grade.

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6 minutes ago, Allardlawstudent5 said:

Can't remember the exact grade but I got under 60% in one of my 1L classes. The career services office helped me think up of a way to address it in case I got asked about it during OCIs, but it never came up! 

So my advice is prepare something to say about it (explain, don't excuse, and what you've learned from it) in case you get asked during the interview process, and apply as broadly and confidently as you would have if you had received a better grade.

How were the rest of your grades, similar or better than mine? Also is 60 a C- or C? And thank you to everyone who has replied so far, I think I’m just being overly anxious about the recruit and overemphasizing the one grade over everything else I have going for me... hopefully... ahah 🥲 

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1 hour ago, VicToTO said:

How were the rest of your grades, similar or better than mine? Also is 60 a C- or C? And thank you to everyone who has replied so far, I think I’m just being overly anxious about the recruit and overemphasizing the one grade over everything else I have going for me... hopefully... ahah 🥲 

I'll PM you :)

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I want to second what another person says above: since UVIC grades aren't released yet, I'm curious how you already know you received a C+ in a Pass/Fail class that doesn't give out grades... Best of luck in the future though! 

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7 minutes ago, DoWellAndGood said:

I want to second what another person says above: since UVIC grades aren't released yet, I'm curious how you already know you received a C+ in a Pass/Fail class that doesn't give out grades... Best of luck in the future though! 

maybe they are referring to their 1st year grades? I think oz takes ELGC in their first year... also they could be trying to throw people off to remain anonymous idk. Either way, to reiterate what has been said before in different threads on similar topics, your grades are your grades, not much you can do about it, don't self select yourself out and apply anyway, its not like applying costs you anything... other than some time and effort. 

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Don’t worry about it because Ethics is a Pass/Fail course.

I’ve heard that some professors will score assignments but I wouldn’t be anxious about the marks on Brightspaces. Any grades you get in Ethics won’t be on your transcript. 

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