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I’m about to sign up for January.

I was PTing 168-174 and got a 168 (95th percentile) in October, after getting the infamous shredder game. Took November expecting an increase but due to some major distractions during the exam, I got a 164 (89th percentile). Crushing, obviously.

I’m pretty damn confident I can get above 170 in January, and I’m okay with studying again for the test.

I’m a mature student, applied Mature and Access/Discretionary across Ontario, plus to McGill and UBC. My GPA (from 2011) sucks. Degree GPA is 3.09, cGPA sub 3.0 (2.8-2.9?) because of a bad freshman year in the USA. L2 is probably around 3.2. B20 for Ryerson is 3.6. Obviously counting on my work/life experience, and LSAT score.
 

Question is, at this point, is it worth 1) paying the money, 2) delaying my application’s review, to retake January if I could probably score 170+?

Would it make a huge difference? I really want to get into Ottawa. And everywhere else 😂

I spend too much time on the LSAT Reddit and it’s like I don’t even feel like my 168 means anything anymore lol.  

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55 minutes ago, rebeccamtl said:I spend too much time on the LSAT Reddit and it’s like I don’t even feel like my 168 means anything anymore lol.  

Those guys are largely American, they need a 170+ to go anywhere worthwhile. 168 is not excellent score, above the average at every school in Canada (except it might be the average for uoft). 

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12 minutes ago, PlatoandSocrates said:

Those guys are largely American, they need a 170+ to go anywhere worthwhile. 168 is not excellent score, above the average at every school in Canada (except it might be the average for uoft). 

Thanks, yeah I would be happy with it if my GPA were normal I guess. I’m just trying as hard as I can to prove to adcoms that I am academically capable. 

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1 hour ago, Luckycharm said:

Don't bother...

 

I read what U of O has to say and apparently they won’t wait on your LSAT score anyways, is that true? You seem to have all the answers on every post 😆 Ottawa is my top choice, which is unfortunate for me because of the emphasis they put on GPA. 

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You answered the question yourself about Ottawa. You GPA is no competitive.

Are your GPA and L2 per OLSAS conversion?

I am not sure how your "mature" application impact your chance with 3.0.

Your 168 may have a great impact on your chance but not sure if that and combined with your "mature' status can pull your over..

Do you speak French ?

good luck.

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5 minutes ago, Luckycharm said:

You answered the question yourself about Ottawa. You GPA is no competitive.

Are your GPA and L2 per OLSAS conversion?

I am not sure how your "mature" application impact your chance with 3.0.

Your 168 may have a great impact on your chance but not sure if that and combined with your "mature' status can pull your over..

Do you speak French ?

good luck.

Mature applications are supposed to be assessed more holistically, isn't that the point of Mature/Access? If not, I can't imagine a reason for the category to exist.

I don't have my OLSAS GPA yet. I figure at this point is doesn't even matter, they will either forgive it because of my LSAT and work experience, or not. A point up or down will hardly make or break me. (And yes I am somewhat bilingual). 

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I'd say if you are confident you can achieve a 170, and can afford it, why not? It can only help, not hurt anyway. Still, a 168 is an amazing score, and as you may already know, better than 95% of the applicants who took the test. And Ottawa states that they would wait for January LSAT. It is noted on their website. 

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4 hours ago, BoundToHappenSomeday said:

I'd say if you are confident you can achieve a 170, and can afford it, why not? It can only help, not hurt anyway. Still, a 168 is an amazing score, and as you may already know, better than 95% of the applicants who took the test. And Ottawa states that they would wait for January LSAT. It is noted on their website. 

They actually say if you have a score on record that they won't wait, and won't reevaluate after a new score. Presuming they even read my application before Feb 3 when Jan scores are released. Which they may not because I'm mature... 

I think I'll retake just so I know that I did whatever I could this cycle to get in. I can't really afford it but at the same time, I have already poured SO much money into this (LSATs and apps), if I don't maximize my chances, I risk it all being a waste anyways. 

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Are you me? Basically have the exact same stats was even PTing in the same range lol. I thought about re-taking too but ultimately decided against it. I didn't think it was worth the additional stress -- I'm going to let my 168 show them that I at least have some potential academically, and let my references and experiences cover the rest. Like you said, I think that's the whole point of the Mature/Access/Discretionary categories, that our scores from over half a decade ago don't currently define who we are and what we've become. I believe my experiences and ECs are meaningful and that I've told a proper story with it in my PS that explains well why I want to get into law and why I would be a good candidate for law school. 

If you're SURE you can do better (considering you did drop for your retake, which was something I was scared about myself if I retook) and you have the time, money, and energy... I don't think it would hurt and it's the only way to improve your application at this point. 

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12 hours ago, rebeccamtl said:

Mature applications are supposed to be assessed more holistically, isn't that the point of Mature/Access? If not, I can't imagine a reason for the category to exist.

I don't have my OLSAS GPA yet. I figure at this point is doesn't even matter, they will either forgive it because of my LSAT and work experience, or not. A point up or down will hardly make or break me. (And yes I am somewhat bilingual). 

Ottawa has french common law .. that's why I asked.. Ottawa put more emphasis on GPA, however, an exception could be made for 'mature" applicants.

Your 168 is really impressive. I hope it is enough to make up for your GPA.

Good luck..

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57 minutes ago, goodisgood said:

Are you me? Basically have the exact same stats was even PTing in the same range lol. I thought about re-taking too but ultimately decided against it. I didn't think it was worth the additional stress -- I'm going to let my 168 show them that I at least have some potential academically, and let my references and experiences cover the rest. Like you said, I think that's the whole point of the Mature/Access/Discretionary categories, that our scores from over half a decade ago don't currently define who we are and what we've become. I believe my experiences and ECs are meaningful and that I've told a proper story with it in my PS that explains well why I want to get into law and why I would be a good candidate for law school. 

If you're SURE you can do better (considering you did drop for your retake, which was something I was scared about myself if I retook) and you have the time, money, and energy... I don't think it would hurt and it's the only way to improve your application at this point. 

Yeah that drop on test #2 did not feel very good, makes me sick just thinking about it, and since McGill averages LSAT scores, I screwed myself a bit there. This test is... a beast. I think I've become obsessed with it though, since, as you said, it's the only thing at this point we can really improve/control. In fact, this whole process has turned me into a neurotic mess.

I think I'm going to retake since it could increase my chances at a few schools, especially UBC which uses an index and drops some credits. All I need is a 180 and I'm above their admit threshold 😂

Good luck to us both!

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I know I've said this before, and you respectfully declined, but I still think U of S is a solid shot, if you can convince your partner. Their median average is usually something like 158/3.5 B2. So I think 168/3.2 gives you a good shot.

That said, with the somewhat "unknowable" process in the mature category, maybe you will get into your more preferred schools anyway. :) Not sure about Ottawa, as discussed already; I think your best bet among the 'established' schools may be Western (combining B2 with at least the existence of a mature category). 

Good luck! 

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41 minutes ago, GrumpyMountie said:

I know I've said this before, and you respectfully declined, but I still think U of S is a solid shot, if you can convince your partner. Their median average is usually something like 158/3.5 B2. So I think 168/3.2 gives you a good shot.

That said, with the somewhat "unknowable" process in the mature category, maybe you will get into your more preferred schools anyway. :) Not sure about Ottawa, as discussed already; I think your best bet among the 'established' schools may be Western (combining B2 with at least the existence of a mature category). 

Good luck! 

Thanks (again, haha, I know I have become completely neurotic). I think I have a decent shot at Ryerson because they take B20 which puts me at a 3.6 with my 168, and good entrepreneurial experience, so I think Toronto would be an easier choice for the family to get behind! You may be right though that I should just apply everywhere, to increase the chance I actually get to go to law school next year! 

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1 minute ago, rebeccamtl said:

Thanks (again, haha, I know I have become completely neurotic). I think I have a decent shot at Ryerson because they take B20 which puts me at a 3.6 with my 168, and good entrepreneurial experience, so I think Toronto would be an easier choice for the family to get behind! You may be right though that I should just apply everywhere, to increase the chance I actually get to go to law school next year! 

That's the right attitude. 

Hope you get in somewhere.... 

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