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GPA Calculation: Queens definition of "full time" course load

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Hi everyone! 

If you're planning to apply to law school this fall, good luck! And if you are starting a new year of law school,¬†I hope it all goes well despite the abrupt shift to online learning.¬†ūüėä

My course situation is sorta odd so I thought I would ask if anyone here has some info on this.  Basically I am taking several undergrad courses to boost my cGPA while also completing my masters and working full-time at once.  Bearing in mind they want to make sure that candidates can handle the rigours of law school, will they overlook the course load per program in favour of the fact that I worked full time and took 5 classes?

I would take the classes anw since I genuinely like school and these classes help me with my current job but I want to know where I stand with Queens because they calculate B2 by the last two years of full time study and they count full time as 5 courses which I am and am not doing at the same time haha.

Thanks!

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Do you mean you're doing five classes over the span of the entire year? B2 is any two best years where you took at least eight (3-credit) courses in a year from Fall to Spring, not necessarily your last two. If you don't have that anywhere in your undergrad degree, as in you've only done part-time, Queen's site says they'll place more emphasis on your cGPA. If you do have it somewhere, I don't imagine they'll consider your current year.

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1 hour ago, lh22 said:

Do you mean you're doing five classes over the span of the entire year? B2 is any two best years where you took at least eight (3-credit) courses in a year from Fall to Spring, not necessarily your last two. If you don't have that anywhere in your undergrad degree, as in you've only done part-time, Queen's site says they'll place more emphasis on your cGPA. If you do have it somewhere, I don't imagine they'll consider your current year.

Gotcha thanks! Well I am taking five classes this semester and next semester so it would equal 10 classes from Fall to Spring broken down as 6 undergrad classes and four masters classes.  I may try and squeeze in a fourth class since they're all online because I want to push away some shitty grades in first semester of third year.  

In my third and fourth year I was full time so that's where the emphasis will be.  However, I really wish I could get a do over in that semester haha that was when I started the job I have now as an intern and I wanted to succeed in that job badly (got what I wanted!) but I bit off more than I could chew when I started out and agreed to work 25 hours/week and I was really struggling to keep up with school until I got the rhythm of it by next semester I got like one A and the rest were Bs.  Not in any way expressing regret over the job side btw, I still love it but I was like 19 when I made that call and over the years I've realized I want to branch into other things which my GPA is prohibiting.  

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24 minutes ago, sucksatusernames said:

Gotcha thanks! Well I am taking five classes this semester and next semester so it would equal 10 classes from Fall to Spring broken down as 6 undergrad classes and four masters classes.  I may try and squeeze in a fourth class since they're all online because I want to push away some shitty grades in first semester of third year.  

In my third and fourth year I was full time so that's where the emphasis will be.  However, I really wish I could get a do over in that semester haha that was when I started the job I have now as an intern and I wanted to succeed in that job badly (got what I wanted!) but I bit off more than I could chew when I started out and agreed to work 25 hours/week and I was really struggling to keep up with school until I got the rhythm of it by next semester I got like one A and the rest were Bs.  Not in any way expressing regret over the job side btw, I still love it but I was like 19 when I made that call and over the years I've realized I want to branch into other things which my GPA is prohibiting.  

Sorry, I misinterpreted as you were working full-time so you were only taking five classes altogether. Regardless, I'm pretty sure they only look at Master's stuff as soft factors so this year would still be "part time" by admissions standards. You could always send them an email to check though if you haven't already.

Because a lot of people work while studying, it doesn't seem like exceptions are usually made for it (but I'm also just an applicant and not in this situation, so I might be wrong). You could always talk about that semester in your personal statement and how you overcame the adjustment. What are your GPA/LSAT like?

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Keep in mind that the graduate courses will not be included in the gpa assessment. Only a few law schools will include them, and no ON schools will. A graduate degree is only a soft factor.

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@lh22 no worries! and yeah that's what most people would do anyway. I think it is worth emailing them instead of speculating since it makes a difference in terms of how much mu LSAT counts for. 

For my cGPA I think it's a 3.2-3/4 and my B2 GPA is 3.5/4 both on a 

I haven't taken the LSAT yet as I am planning to apply for September 2022 so I was thinking start studying now and write the LSAT in February which gives me some time to rewrite if I have to before I apply (I figured the range of what's possible for me is bigger in the long term than the short term).  

That said I am hoping to get something above 160 on the LSATs next year, I started studying with Khan Academy and I basically told the program I am planning to write the November LSAT so it would give me a path to completion that would technically have me in shape by then so that I can be ahead of my actual schedule. 

Do you think I should just look at another school that counts grades differently? Queens is one of my top choices but I need to reconcile passion with pragmatism after all. 

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@erinl2 thank you! And yes noted.  

I was interested in identifying what this means for the weight assigned to the other three classes I am taking because Queens and some other schools mentioned that they value full time courses because they want to know if you can handle the rigours of law school.  My thinking was yes it's only three but, I'm taking the classes alongside two other classes from a separate degree so I think that shows my ability to handle a significant workload. But to lh22's point it's question worth asking the faculty since it's sorta specific and beyond the scope of a regular FAQ. 

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19 minutes ago, erinl2 said:

Keep in mind that the graduate courses will not be included in the gpa assessment. Only a few law schools will include them, and no ON schools will. A graduate degree is only a soft factor.

are there non-Ontario schools, within Canada, that will look at graduate school grades? 

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@sucksatusernames If you're looking at a 2022 start, you have lots of time to prepare for the LSAT and narrow down your choices. If you really want a crack at Queen's, don't self-select out, but there are other options. UofA includes Master's grades, as does UNB (who also drops your 25% worst marks). There might be a couple others. 

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47 minutes ago, lh22 said:

@sucksatusernames If you're looking at a 2022 start, you have lots of time to prepare for the LSAT and narrow down your choices. If you really want a crack at Queen's, don't self-select out, but there are other options. UofA includes Master's grades, as does UNB (who also drops your 25% worst marks). There might be a couple others. 

wow well thank you! I will still take my shot at Queen's and aim for a killer LSAT.  That said, I actually took a peak at UofA's faculty and they seem to have some profs that also teach in the area of law I'm interested in too! (public international/environmental/human rights) 

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2 hours ago, sucksatusernames said:

wow well thank you! I will still take my shot at Queen's and aim for a killer LSAT.  That said, I actually took a peak at UofA's faculty and they seem to have some profs that also teach in the area of law I'm interested in too! (public international/environmental/human rights) 

UofA is also a lot cheaper than Queen's, but #YOLO. 

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