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I've just read an article that UBC has only 4 Black law students out of 600 total (for all years). I understand some students do not self-identify and that 4 may not be an accurate number, but are there any Black prospective law students out there who have an opinion on this? Or anyone who has experience at UBC as a Black student? Or about how minorities are treated at UBC? I would love to know more about your experiences or thoughts. Here is the article below for anyone interested:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/ubc-black-lsat-prep-1.5695081

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Just for context, only approximately 1% of the population of Vancouver is black. I wanted to mention this because I've seen this issue brought up before in relation to UBC by people from elsewhere in Canada who don't know what the demographics of Vancouver are like.

I'll leave others to discuss lived experiences as minorities at UBC, because I'm not qualified to speak on the subject.

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@Quincy had a similar answer from another thread as well:

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That is an area of interest for me, but Uoft looks like its taking initiatives to change its demographic which appeals to me. Is UBC doing anything? Uoft had a Black Lawyer conference this weekend with multiple speakers and students who I got to chat with.

Why in the world would UBC be “taking initiatives” to increase the number of black students, when <1% of the population of the province is black, and barely >1% of Vancouver’s population is black? 
 

As far as I am aware, initiatives to change the demographics of UBC Law are directed at Aboriginal students. 
 

I get the sense you’ve never been to Vancouver. You probably should before you commit to living here for at least 3 years. 

 

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UBC uses an index system to evaluate non-Indigenous applicants, so there's no easy way for the school to arbitrarily boost the black law student population without raising additional policy concerns.   

This is a very complex issue; I'd caution you against making sweeping generalizations about an entire school on the basis of one article.  

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Again, my question was directed to those with experience at UBC Law, who are Black or are a minority...I won't be responding to @meandtheboys @CleanHands. This vastly misses the mark for me.

@Tagger this is exactly why I asked the question I did...to hear about minority & Black experiences at UBC Law.

 

 

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Diversestudent604 said:

Again, my question was directed to those with experience at UBC Law, who are Black or are a minority...I won't be responding to @meandtheboys @CleanHands. This vastly misses the mark for me.

@Tagger this is exactly why I asked the question I did...to hear about minority & Black experiences at UBC Law.

lol @ you assuming I'm not

A very large portion of my 1L class are visible minorities, but they got in because they were competent and sick people - not because they were minorities.  Both the school and the student body in general are extremely welcoming and I've had nothing but good experiences with them so far.

 

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lol @ you assuming I'm not

A very large portion of my 1L class are visible minorities, but they got in because they were competent and sick people - not because they were minorities.  Both the school and the student body in general are extremely welcoming and I've had nothing but good experiences with them so far.

 

 

Interesting. Thanks for the input.

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28 minutes ago, Diversestudent604 said:

@Tagger this is exactly why I asked the question I did...to hear about minority & Black experiences at UBC Law.

To be clear, I think this is an extremely important issue, especially in light of recent events, but people who truly want to engage in meaningful discussions about diversity don't start those conversations by saying things like this: 

58 minutes ago, Diversestudent604 said:

I am struggling to apply at UBC for 2021 given these margins, this has to be one of the worst Black diversity numbers I have ever seen...Especially for a school that preaches diversity.

 

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3 minutes ago, Tagger said:

To be clear, I think this is an extremely important issue, especially in light of recent events, but people who truly want to engage in meaningful discussions about diversity don't start those conversations by saying things like this: 

 

Note; it was refined. I could see how that came across. 

 

Thanks!

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1 hour ago, Diversestudent604 said:

Or about how minorities are treated at UBC? I would love to know more about your experiences or thoughts. 

I’m not entirely sure what you’re looking for in an answer. I am a minority (though not black) and I don’t recall any negative experiences related to my race. No one is going around making blatant racist comments. If there’s subtle racism, I haven’t experienced it. I also don’t have anyone walking on eggshells around me. Grading is blind so bias is unlikely on that front. 

If your question is about minorities in the legal community generally, that’s a different conversation. 

Having said that, my experience effectively says nothing about the black experience. UBC has a large Asian population outside of Allard (and, I’d argue, within Allard too). 

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Just now, Psychometronic said:

I’m not entirely sure what you’re looking for in an answer. I am a minority (though not black) and I don’t recall any negative experiences related to my race. No one is going around making blatant racist comments. If there’s subtle racism, I haven’t experienced it. I also don’t have anyone walking on eggshells around me. Grading is blind so bias is unlikely on that front. 
 

Having said that, my experience effectively says nothing about the black experience. UBC has a large Asian population outside of Allard (and, I’d argue, within Allard too). 

That's really great to hear. Thank you for sharing  :) .

Can I ask you if you utilized any of the cultural clubs/alliance groups or anything like that at UBC? Totally fine if you don't want to share that info if you have. I'm just generally curious.

 

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You could message the UBC Black Law Students Association on Facebook. The group admins are all black UBC law students, I am sure they would be happy to talk to you.

Two of the Allard Ambassadors were black but they just graduated, unfortunately, so it might be a bit harder to get in touch with them now.

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1 minute ago, Starling said:

You could message the UBC Black Law Students Association on Facebook. The group admins are all black UBC law students, I am sure they would be happy to talk to you.

Two of the Allard Ambassadors were black but they just graduated, unfortunately, so it might be a bit harder to get in touch with them now.

Awesome, thank you so much! :) 

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2 minutes ago, Diversestudent604 said:

That's really great to hear. Thank you for sharing  :) .

Can I ask you if you utilized any of the cultural clubs/alliance groups or anything like that at UBC? Totally fine if you don't want to share that info if you have. I'm just generally curious.

 

I signed up for the Asia Pacific Law Club, but didn't participate much. I respect what they do, but it wasn't for me. I'm generally busy with other things and, since undergrad, I never felt a strong need to participate in race/culture-specific organizations.

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12 minutes ago, Psychometronic said:

I signed up for the Asia Pacific Law Club, but didn't participate much. I respect what they do, but it wasn't for me. I'm generally busy with other things and, since undergrad, I never felt a strong need to participate in race/culture-specific organizations.

That is very fair, thank you so much. 

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For reference, U Vic is just in the process of starting a chapter of the BLSA this term, because they only just met the threshold for the minimum number of members. However, U Vic law is a very progressive environment, where everyone else is beinding over backwards to demonstrate support for the Black community.

I know you weren't asking about Victoria, but the reason I mention this is just to point out that low numbers, per se, won't necessarily correlate to an environment that is not supportive. Sometimes numbers are just... numbers. I was really surprised, moving to Victoria, to see that there is much less (visible) diversity than there is in any city in Alberta... and I'm counting Lethbridge,e. ;) even.

 I definitely second the suggestion of reaching out to the BLSA. Heck, you can't do that at Victoria now, too, if you're interested! 

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