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Wait, didn't rashabon totally crap on Cassels? 😄

 

It's almost as if firm wide rankings are rather useless.

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8 minutes ago, pzabbythesecond said:

Wait, didn't rashabon totally crap on Cassels? 😄

 

It's almost as if firm wide rankings are rather useless.

No, I think that was maximumbob. 

My post was more in response to the poster a few days back who said there was bad news at Cassels.

 

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16 minutes ago, pzabbythesecond said:

Wait, didn't rashabon totally crap on Cassels? 😄

 

It's almost as if firm wide rankings are rather useless.

 

8 minutes ago, easttowest said:

No, I think that was maximumbob. 

My post was more in response to the poster a few days back who said there was bad news at Cassels.

 

Easttowest = Rashabon... ? 😯 

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9 hours ago, pzabbythesecond said:

Wait, didn't rashabon totally crap on Cassels? 😄

 

It's almost as if firm wide rankings are rather useless.

? What are you talking about?

I think the only thing I’ve ever really mentioned about them is that they made the guy who had a close relationship with Canopy Growth a partner in record time, but feel free to tell me if I’m wrong. Cassels actually benefited big time by being a smaller shop with less blue chip clients. Meant they could go all in on cannabis before the other big firms got comfortable taking on the work.

Also someone here who really hates the Seven Sisters moniker happens to work there.

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Rough numbers this year so far. I'm surprised to see that there are quite a few firms who haven't announced numbers yet (McCarthys, Dentons, Gowlings, BLG, etc.).

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2 minutes ago, SpecterH said:

Rough numbers this year so far. I'm surprised to see that there are quite a few firms who haven't announced numbers yet (McCarthys, Dentons, Gowlings, BLG, etc.).

McCarthys hasn't even done hireback.

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They're actually not that bad. Just not 100% almost across the board like recently. 

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12 hours ago, CoffeeandLaw said:

McCarthys hasn't even done hireback.

I know - that’s what I meant.

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21 minutes ago, SpecterH said:

I know - that’s what I meant.

Oh, you grouped them in with firms who have all done hireback, so I thought you meant it's weird they haven't disclosed to precedent JD.

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4 minutes ago, CoffeeandLaw said:

Oh, you grouped them in with firms who have all done hireback, so I thought you meant it's weird they haven't disclosed to precedent JD.

I didn’t even know those other firms did hireback yet. I’m clearly late to the party.

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gowlings only hired back like half, bloodbath there

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11 minutes ago, hmyo said:

gowlings only hired back like half, bloodbath there

That’s in line with their historical hireback rates – the last two years have been strong, but from 2012-2017 they hired back ~60% 

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Anyone have thoughts on Goldblatt's numbers? I'm a lowly 0L but it seems interesting that YoY their hire back numbers are less about 50% (2019,2020). This year they only hired back 1 of 5 and last year 3 of 6.

Is this just the norm for smaller firms i.e. they take on less students but are more selective in who they hire back therefore far more competitive to get an associate position?

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3 minutes ago, 0LHopeful said:

Anyone have thoughts on Goldblatt's numbers? I'm a lowly 0L but it seems interesting that YoY their hire back numbers are less about 50% (2019,2020). This year they only hired back 1 of 5 and last year 3 of 6.

Is this just the norm for smaller firms i.e. they take on less students but are more selective in who they hire back therefore far more competitive to get an associate position?

I think it's fair to say that you'll have more variability in hireback numbers for smaller shops. It'll always be a business driven decision but fewer practice groups means fewer potential spots generally and that an associate departing, or hiring a lateral, can have a big impact on hireback relative to those same events in a big shop.

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4 minutes ago, 0LHopeful said:

Anyone have thoughts on Goldblatt's numbers? I'm a lowly 0L but it seems interesting that YoY their hire back numbers are less about 50% (2019,2020). This year they only hired back 1 of 5 and last year 3 of 6.

Is this just the norm for smaller firms i.e. they take on less students but are more selective in who they hire back therefore far more competitive to get an associate position?

Every single person I know who articled there had no problems finding a labour law/union job after their articles.

Look at it this way. While Biglaw may seek to hire back most of their articling students, they know that many people will leave the firms within the first 5 years. Smaller and mid-sized firms when looking to hire back are looking for long-term potential and growth, not muscle to keep the work flowing. 

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20 minutes ago, HammurabiTime said:

I think it's fair to say that you'll have more variability in hireback numbers for smaller shops. It'll always be a business driven decision but fewer practice groups means fewer potential spots generally and that an associate departing, or hiring a lateral, can have a big impact on hireback relative to those same events in a big shop.

 

19 minutes ago, Deadpool said:

Every single person I know who articled there had no problems finding a labour law/union job after their articles.

Look at it this way. While Biglaw may seek to hire back most of their articling students, they know that many people will leave the firms within the first 5 years. Smaller and mid-sized firms when looking to hire back are looking for long-term potential and growth, not muscle to keep the work flowing. 

Makes sense, thanks for the insights. I likely wouldn't have realized this is a potential "risk" in applying to established/leading mid size firms. Good to know

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