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Ok that is legit funny. ^

Rest of it - order a Perrier with lime and you look sophisticated enough that no one notices. I am not even that serious but if anyone really needs a back pocket magic phrase, order a goddamn Perrier with lime and move on to the substantive stuff like can you relate to these people and do you want to spend the next five years working alongside them.

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During the 2L recruit I sat down to dinner of course smushed between two partners. I strongly dislike red wine but I really like steak. I was also already drinking white wine from the reception. I turned to one of the partners and made a joke about wanting to drink white wine but that the steak looked better than the fish. He very gleefully responded "ME TOO!". We mutually agreed to drink the white wine and steak, other people's opinions be damned. I got an offer. I'm sharing this story because I think the interaction was successful because I was authentic to who I was and the firm that I was dining with appreciated and respected that. During this process, as hard as it seems, try to be authentic to who you are. If you do this, there is a good chance that you will land somewhere that will appreciate and respect this. You will be much happier long term. 

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14 minutes ago, admitme said:

During the 2L recruit I sat down to dinner of course smushed between two partners. I strongly dislike red wine but I really like steak. I was also already drinking white wine from the reception. I turned to one of the partners and made a joke about wanting to drink white wine but that the steak looked better than the fish. He very gleefully responded "ME TOO!". We mutually agreed to drink the white wine and steak, other people's opinions be damned. I got an offer. I'm sharing this story because I think the interaction was successful because I was authentic to who I was and the firm that I was dining with appreciated and respected that. During this process, as hard as it seems, try to be authentic to who you are. If you do this, there is a good chance that you will land somewhere that will appreciate and respect this. You will be much happier long term. 

Usually when I'm participating in some absurd and artificial process, the best (and most real) conversation I could possibly have with someone else would be about how the entire process is absurd and artificial. I'm not encouraging anyone else to force that topic to happen, but just to agree with the above. You need to see this experience as an opportunity to sell yourself - the real you - rather than a test to see how well you can fake being whatever it is you believe they want you to be.

Though note, there's a subtle reminder in this otherwise good story that levels of personal comfort still depend somewhat on basic knowledge of social norms. You managed to share a joke about bucking social norms, and ordering white wine with steak. But in order to share that joke, you need at least a minimal knowledge of wine pairings, which a total non-drinker might not have. So I suppose the combination of these two points ends here. Wanting to know things is normal and natural - also good business sense. I don't think anyone can ever be totally comfortable not knowing what the hell is going on. But once you have basic knowledge, it isn't a question of following every rule. It's the comfort that helps you - not slavish adherence to convention for its own sake.

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Quick question for anyone that has/is interviewing with MAG (specifically Office of the Public Guardian), do you know when they send out the presentation topic? The email said it will be sent to you in advance of your interview but I was just wondering approximately when I could expect that to be.

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29 minutes ago, blonderachelzane said:

Quick question for anyone that has/is interviewing with MAG (specifically Office of the Public Guardian), do you know when they send out the presentation topic? The email said it will be sent to you in advance of your interview but I was just wondering approximately when I could expect that to be.

If it's any help, MAG, Crown Law Office Criminal sent out our assigned case yesterday morning. I'd expect you to receive your topic in the next day or two!

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What happens if you have a dinner scheduled with a firm who hasn't invited you back for a further interview? Will they make it clear that you are not to attend anything else? 

If one of your dinners does end up being cancelled, would it be appropriate to reach out to another firm you didn't have the space for to see if you could either attend a meal or meet more of their lawyers another way? 

Thanks! 

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I agree  and want to follow up with the edited comment that I cant seem to quote (it's from gorgonzola on the previus page), I understand to order Perrier (or whatever other fancy non-alcoholic drinks)  but if asked/offered by the lawyer for wine how do you politely reject it to say you can't drink alcohol?  Saying "No thank you" sounds a bit off putting and directed but I dont want to go into a discussion on my health.  Ordering to the server is one thing (What would you like, I want Perrier) but if offered by a lawyer like "Do you want Wine X or Wine Y" seems different you can't just say No I want my water instead . Bascically my question is if offered wine by a lawyer,  how do I politely turn it down. 

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1 hour ago, aflorrick said:

What happens if you have a dinner scheduled with a firm who hasn't invited you back for a further interview? Will they make it clear that you are not to attend anything else? 

If one of your dinners does end up being cancelled, would it be appropriate to reach out to another firm you didn't have the space for to see if you could either attend a meal or meet more of their lawyers another way? 

Thanks! 

I heard from an upper-year that at a firm he interviewed with that if you are doing "poorly" where you do not have much chance they told the students you do not need to come to dinner. 

I'd say It doesn't hurt to reach out to the other firm. I dont think you can lose anything but I am a student too so perhaps others can chime in. 

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3 minutes ago, Newfoundland said:

I agree  and want to follow up with the edited comment that I cant seem to quote, I understand to order Perrier (or whatever other fancy non-alcoholic drinks)  but if asked/offered by the lawyer for wine how do you politely reject it to say you can't drink alcohol?  Saying "No thank you" sounds a bit off putting and directed but I dont want to go into a discussion on my health.  Ordering to the server is one thing (What would you like, I want Perrier) but if offered by a lawyer like "Do you want Wine X or Wine Y" seems different you can't just say No I want my water instead . Bascically my question is if offered wine by a lawyer,  how do I politely turn it down. 

"I'm just going to stick with water/perrier/chocolate milk/gasoline, but thanks for offering!"

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2 minutes ago, Newfoundland said:

Basically my question is if offered wine by a lawyer,  how do I politely turn it down. 

This is where you are over-thinking things to an incredibly unhealthy degree. You do it the same damn way you'd do it in any other environment!

You do realize that this question can be repeated in endless variants, right? You've been going the bathroom your entire life. You know how to excuse yourself to go do that. But how do I do that when I'm at a dinner with lawyers!?! How do I know when it's my turn to speak!?! What happens if my nose gets itchy?!? Do I scratch it? Do I use a particular finger!??!?!?!?!

This is exactly where you are driving yourself (and others, here) completely insane. There is some information about dealing with OCIs and interviewing with employers that probably doesn't come up many other places. There are questions that won't have occurred to you before. But you've reached the point where you are questing basic facets of everyday human interaction. You need to stop. You. Need. To. Stop.

Do it the same way you'd do it anywhere else. Assume that's the answer to every question you still want to ask. Only if you can still reply "but I don't do that anywhere else" should you continue worrying about it.

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1 minute ago, Diplock said:

What happens if my nose gets itchy?!? Do I scratch it? Do I use a particular finger!??!?!?!?!

Yes, middle finger, pointed directly at the most senior partner to assert dominance.

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If you can't figure out how to turn down a glass of wine, you shouldn't be hired anyway because lord knows you're not equipped for Bay Street if so.

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14 minutes ago, TdK said:

"I'm just going to stick with water/perrier/chocolate milk/gasoline, but thanks for offering!"

Thank you! Alcohol is just something that touches really closely to me about a health issue which gets me nervous and I don't want to explain it to people .  I won't ask anymore on wines at dinner. 

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Have people generally found in-firms to be similar as OCI - casual convos but now instead of 17mins its longer? How are people preparing for it it ? Should we try and market our skills if the convo is not related to my skills or just keep the convo going? 

When do you typically find out who is interviewing you? 

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This thread is hilarious. It's comical that I can't distinguish between the genuine questions and those making satire of those same questions.

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8 minutes ago, JohnStuartHobbes said:

 I can't distinguish between the genuine questions and those making satire of those same questions.

With a name like yours you should be more discerning. 

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So when I got called to schedule my interview on call-day, the firm asked if I was free for 8am on Monday. Does this mean I'm in their good books, that they're somehow more interested in me than someone they book at 3pm? Or is it arbitrary?

 

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5 minutes ago, talos said:

So when I got called to schedule my interview on call-day, the firm asked if I was free for 8am on Monday. Does this mean I'm in their good books, that they're somehow more interested in me than someone they book at 3pm? Or is it arbitrary?

 

It was mentioned a few pages back that firms call their preferred candidates first and by extension offer the early slots. But don't let your foot off the pedal. 

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32 minutes ago, Newfoundland said:

Thank you! Alcohol is just something that touches really closely to me about a health issue which gets me nervous and I don't want to explain it to people .  I won't ask anymore on wines at dinner. 

Newfoundland, please don't worry about the alcohol thing. Just order water. No one is judging you. Just order water, and if somebody asks why (which is very unlikely to happen), just brush it off and say" Yup, just keeping it simple tonight". No one will say anything after that. It's a total non-issue, trust me. Just be yourself, be polite, be friendly, try to be relaxed, and you'll be more than fine.

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