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I noticed the other 2L recruit thread was getting spammed with extra questions so I figured people could post here instead of in that one. 

 

I have a question of my own. How common is it to have 20-30 OCIs and walk away with zero in-firms? Asking for a friend who may be nervous they are unlikeable. 

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3 minutes ago, wtamow said:

I noticed the other 2L recruit thread was getting spammed with extra questions so I figured people could post here instead of in that one. 

I have a question of my own. How common is it to have 20-30 OCIs and walk away with zero in-firms? Asking for a friend who may be nervous they are unlikeable. 

Is this friend Newfoundland? 

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6 minutes ago, wtamow said:

I noticed the other 2L recruit thread was getting spammed with extra questions so I figured people could post here instead of in that one. 

 

I have a question of my own. How common is it to have 20-30 OCIs and walk away with zero in-firms? Asking for a friend who may be nervous they are unlikeable. 

I didn't have that many, but last year I had a strong amount of OCIs and didn't get an in firm with any of them (got some directly).

It wasn't so much about likeability, as much as it was not knowing what I was doing, being too specific in my interests, etc. 

It happens. It sucks. People learn from it and go on to have satisfying and meaningful careers. But it's important to learn from it.

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5 minutes ago, wtamow said:

I noticed the other 2L recruit thread was getting spammed with extra questions so I figured people could post here instead of in that one. 

 

I have a question of my own. How common is it to have 20-30 OCIs and walk away with zero in-firms? Asking for a friend who may be nervous they are unlikeable. 

Nobody can answer this. Has it happened once? Probably. Will it happen again? Who knows. Is it common? Nobody knows.

From the student side, the only exposure we have to OCIs is our own, that of our close friends, and what we hear through the grapevine. On the firm side, they don’t really know which candidates are interviewing elsewhere. 

 

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8 minutes ago, Deadpool said:

Is this friend Newfoundland? 

enough already

 

13 minutes ago, wtamow said:

I have a question of my own. How common is it to have 20-30 OCIs and walk away with zero in-firms? Asking for a friend who may be nervous they are unlikeable. 

I do know someone who had a full slate of Toronto OCIs and walked away with no job, but not zero in-firms. I literally heard them bragging about how it was so easy to schedule their first five interviews, but then it was just like, so many omg. Sure enough I saw them at Toronto OCIs for the whole time I was there (4 interviews) and they were there all day according to several other people. They did not get a job in that recruit, nor in the Ottawa recruit which they participated in, and they are now articling at a ... firm … that I am very sure they did not ever envision themselves working at. So yes I know you asked specifically about OCI to in-firm but I just want to let you know it can go from a full slate to no job for sure.

 

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5 minutes ago, pzabbythesecond said:

I didn't have that many, but last year I had a strong amount of OCIs and didn't get an in firm with any of them (got some directly).

It wasn't so much about likeability, as much as it was not knowing what I was doing, being too specific in my interests, etc. 

It happens. It sucks. People learn from it and go on to have satisfying and meaningful careers. But it's important to learn from it.

What advice would you give to someone who feels like they don’t know what they are doing?

1 minute ago, Disputes said:

enough already

 

I do know someone who had a full slate of Toronto OCIs. I literally heard them bragging about how it was so easy to schedule their first five interviews, but then it was just like, so many omg, and sure enough I saw them at Toronto OCIs for the whole time I was there (4 interviews) and they were there all day according to several other people. They did not get a job in that recruit, nor in the Ottawa recruit which they participated in, and they are now articling at a ... firm … that I am very sure they did not ever envision themselves working at.

 

Any idea how that happened? 

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Just now, wtamow said:

What advice would you give to someone who feels like they don’t know what they are doing?

Any idea how that happened? 

Be honest with yourself and what you want to do. Be honest with yourself about just how little you know about the practice of law at this point.

Know your CV inside out. Focus much more on yourself than the firms. 

Be able to have strong answers to typical behavioural interview questions. Your career office should have a list of these. If not, ask around. Prepare spoken answers and try them out. Get feedback.

Never say something negative about a past employer. Never talk down your experiences, but also don't pretend like your God's gift to humanity. Be honest with negative questions (tell me about a challenge you faced, etc) and actually answer the question, but tell the employer how you handled it and what you would do differently now.

Know your role. Your role as a student is to help out as many people in the firm that need you. Your role is to learn. Your role is to be a team player.

Don't be afraid to talk about your non law experiences. Talk about your hobbies! 

That's off the top of my head anyway.

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5 minutes ago, wtamow said:

What advice would you give to someone who feels like they don’t know what they are doing?

Any idea how that happened? 

They sound insufferable? 

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Obviously there IS a correlation, but is there any stat from one of the student newspaper that quantifies "number of in-firms" vs "number of job offers"? Curious how many students with 5+ interviews ultimately strike out.

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1 minute ago, easttowest said:

They sound insufferable? 

Good point. I was thinking in the interviews they’d probably be chill. 

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13 minutes ago, wtamow said:

Any idea how that happened? 

 

9 minutes ago, spicyfoodftw said:

Sounds like they might have come across as an arrogant turd.

Possibly this, mixed with the fact that they did not know how to sustain a likeable and interesting image for more than one or two interviews. This person has an extremely boring personality and I don't think they could fake being otherwise. I know a lot of arrogant turds who were hired, they are just better at "playing the game". I can't speak authoritatively on this but in my opinion, they likely came off as extremely bland yet arrogant.

Edit: a couple of interviews may not have been their fault - sometimes you really don't click with the interviewer and there is nothing you could have done.

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4 minutes ago, chaboywb said:

Obviously there IS a correlation, but is there any stat from one of the student newspaper that quantifies "number of in-firms" vs "number of job offers"? Curious how many students with 5+ interviews ultimately strike out.

They could only get these stats from self-reporting, and I don't think it would work: authenticated self-reporting would require students to admit they did poorly (unlikely) and anonymous self-reporting could't be verified. 

Best not to concern yourself with these things and just worry about what you can control instead.

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Boring+arrogant seems like an especially bad combo for being hired. Hopefully they figure things out after spending a bit of time in the real world.

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Do firms typically make the decisions in the 3 min gap or like at the end of the day? Is this why people say  being memorable counts for something and not be "boring"; show your real self and the stories you have to tell them? Another part I am still trying to grapple with is that lots of tips say "be human" but if everyone is "be human" what else do firms use?  It seems really abstract in some senses but that may just be my tech background's influence where hiring was done on substantive knowledge too where it was easier to "prepare for"

Also, what if questions that they answer back are "No students don't work in that area"; should you hedge it and say oh that was not my only interest or just move on? 

Any other last minute tips?  

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Has anyone ever had a more intense interview like the interviewer zones in on potential issues   or asks curveballs? I had them in the past but it was for other industries. 

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1 minute ago, pzabbythesecond said:

Meditate and/or go for a run tonight.

More like try some CBD oil 

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8 minutes ago, Newfoundland said:

Do firms typically make the decisions in the 3 min gap or like at the end of the day? Is this why people say  being memorable counts for something and not be "boring"; show your real self and the stories you have to tell them? Another part I am still trying to grapple with is that lots of tips say "be human" but if everyone is "be human" what else do firms use?  It seems really abstract in some senses but that may just be my tech background's influence where hiring was done on substantive knowledge too where it was easier to "prepare for"

Also, what if questions that they answer back are "No students don't work in that area"; should you hedge it and say oh that was not my only interest or just move on? 

Any other last minute tips?  

Honestly, just be yourself. Put on a friendly smile and have a firm handshake when you enter the booth, it'll create a good impression. Know your resume inside and out.

If you have many OCIs, you'll find that to be an advantage because you'll be asked the same questions and you'll keep improving your answer every time. Also, your anxiety/stress will probably be lessened as time goes on which will improve your performance.

Good luck. I'd suggest you get off the forum for the last day or so and just relax. It's best to have a fresh mind going into these things.

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Did any of you practice for unexpected questions and if so how? Any last min tips on behavioural questions? 

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