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I constantly hear people saying how Ryerson is going to be one of the top 3 schools within 5 years due to location. I just want to know what kind of such a significant difference does the location make, till a point it can make a school top tier? 

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8 hours ago, ConfusedTorontonian said:

I constantly hear people saying how Ryerson is going to be one of the top 3 schools within 5 years due to location. I just want to know what kind of such a significant difference does the location make, till a point it can make a school top tier? 

Ryerson will be  one of the top 3 (law) schools in Toronto because there are only 3 law schools in Toronto by September 2020.

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3 minutes ago, Luckycharm said:

Ryerson will be  one of the top 3 (law) schools in Toronto because there are only 3 law schools in Toronto by September 2020.

People weren’t just talking about in Toronto but in all of Canada... 

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The people who are telling you this have no clue.  Law school rankings are stupid.  Even if they weren't, there's no way whatsoever that it will displace the UofT or McGill.  It also isn't going to surpass every single other reputable and well-established law school within five years (I'm thinking of schools like UBC, Queen's, and Osgoode).  Anyone who claims this doesn't know what they are talking about.  Assuming that law rankings weren't stupid, here's an example of the kinds of metrics they consider and an explanation of why Ryerson won't do better.

1.  Supreme Court of Canada clerkships.  Judges are old and like schools that are old like them.  They won't immediately hire from Ryerson without knowing more about the school, its graduates, etc.

2.  Faculty journal citations.  They won't immediately build up a faculty of prolific publishers.  It takes time to get a law school off the ground, hire people, and get those people settled in and publishing.

I could give other examples, but again, rankings are stupid.  Whether it develops a reputation among members of the legal community for producing competent graduates is much more important.  Does Ryerson have some of the ingredients to do this?  Sure.  There are lots of very capable law professors who either want to live in Toronto or have to be in Toronto for personal reasons, for example.  They will also have a steady stream of very capable adjunct professors at the many nearby law firms.  Its proximity to networking opportunities may also be helpful for students.  But these sorts of factors do not make a law school a top three institution within five years.

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7 hours ago, ConfusedTorontonian said:

People weren’t just talking about in Toronto but in all of Canada... 

Are you sure people are not talking about in the whole World?

I didn't see "all of Canada" in your post.

"I constantly hear people saying how Ryerson is going to be one of the top 3 schools within 5 years due to location."

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The question itself is ludicrious. You really believe that due to location Ryerson law will surpass U of T, McGill, Osgoode, UBC, McGill, Western, Queen's, Dalhousie, Ottawa, etc. within 5 years? If that were the case, Ryerson's Ted Rogers School of Management should have surpassed Ivey, Queen's commerce, Waterloo AFM, Laurier BBA, etc. a lot time ago; has this happened or will this happen in the foreseeable future?

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1 hour ago, Deadpool said:

The question itself is ludicrious. You really believe that due to location Ryerson law will surpass U of T, McGill, Osgoode, UBC, McGill, Western, Queen's, Dalhousie, Ottawa, etc. within 5 years? If that were the case, Ryerson's Ted Rogers School of Management should have surpassed Ivey, Queen's commerce, Waterloo AFM, Laurier BBA, etc. a lot time ago; has this happened or will this happen in the foreseeable future?

Just like NYU and Columbia haven't surpassed Harvard and Yale despite being in a more popular location. 

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6 hours ago, Deadpool said:

The question itself is ludicrious. You really believe that due to location Ryerson law will surpass U of T, McGill, Osgoode, UBC, McGill, Western, Queen's, Dalhousie, Ottawa, etc. within 5 years? If that were the case, Ryerson's Ted Rogers School of Management should have surpassed Ivey, Queen's commerce, Waterloo AFM, Laurier BBA, etc. a lot time ago; has this happened or will this happen in the foreseeable future?

How is the question ludicrous, did I for once say I believe them? I just asked why is location considered such an important factor, what does it change. Did you bother reading the whole question ? 

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7 hours ago, Luckycharm said:

Are you sure people are not talking about in the whole World?

I didn't see "all of Canada" in your post.

"I constantly hear people saying how Ryerson is going to be one of the top 3 schools within 5 years due to location."

It’s people on this site, not my peronal connections lmao. And well now you see it, here “All of Canada”. 

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I constantly hear people saying how Ryerson is going to be one of the top 3 schools within 5 years due to location

Constantly hear?  From whom? If it's people here, it might be helpful to link to the comments.

Top 3 schools in what way?  Admission stats and medians? Number of apps?  Clerkships?  OCI results? Articling percentage?

Details are important, as you can see from the replies you've received.

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On 9/5/2019 at 1:06 PM, ConfusedTorontonian said:

I constantly hear people saying how Ryerson is going to be one of the top 3 schools within 5 years due to location. I just want to know what kind of such a significant difference does the location make, till a point it can make a school top tier? 

Okay, so I agree with everyone (specially @ProfReader) who says that rankings are stupid, but to the extent that anyone cares about them Ryerson is not going to be in anyone's "Top Three".

However... Ryerson Law is probably going to do very well for itself, precisely because of its location.  The GTA counts by itself about 15% of Canada's entire population.  It's Canada's media, business and financial centre.

Currently lots of people are going to school in places other than Toronto, who want to end up in Toronto.  Whether that is in other places in Ontario, other places in Canada, or even other countries.  For lots of them going to Ryerson Law will make a lot more sense than going somewhere else.

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In terms of number of applicants, I could see Ryerson being right up there because there will be so many people who want to be in Toronto for law school - either because they're from Toronto, or because they want to end up working in Toronto. That said, I don't see it surpassing other more established school in terms of reputation/quality right off th ebat simply because of its location. So the question is, are you asking whether it will be a top 3 school in terms of places people would be willing to go and therefore apply to? Or are you asking if it will be a top 3 school in terms of reputation?

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