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Is there a point in applying to business law firms with my grades?

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1 hour ago, Oddduck said:

For my own information, I just checked the most recent calendar, it’s not the same curve. Osgoode has mandatory C’s while Queen’s doesn’t. The range given to the top two grades (a and a-) are more generous than Oz (a+ and a). 

Queen's requires a median B grade, but not a B average. That allows for a range of grade distributions. I came across profs who gave no Cs and profs who liberally handed them out.

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On 8/11/2019 at 2:36 PM, buttercupflyaway said:

I am a student at Queen's Law applying for the Summer 2L recruit and planning to participate in Toronto OCIs. I had originally planned to apply to many of the larger business law firms - BLG, Cassels Brock, Davies, Bennett Jones, etc. But I do not have stellar grades - five B+s and two Bs. No As. Is there a point in even applying to these places, or is it a waste of time? I know they obviously consider more than just your grades. I have legal experience from working this summer at a small local law firm, and I have volunteer experience from volunteering during 1L. But I don't want to spend time applying to these larger firms if I don't really have a chance and my efforts could be better spent elsewhere. Apologies - I know posts like these are probably pretty common. I would very much appreciate your thoughts. Thank you. 

The issue is not about wasting time to apply to larger firms. the issue is do you want to work in these larger firms?

Grades are important but grades are NOT the only thing that they looked at.  You may not get as many OCI but all you need is one offer.  I can not predict your chance based on your grades alone.

Your grades may not be as competitive as some of the applicants but you may be strong in other areas. 

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53 minutes ago, Trew said:

I should check again then. But I know at Queen's about 10-15% of students get As. That was the distribution in my classes when the profs showed us. There is also no B+ curve, it's only seminars, and there are very few of them. The lectures are a B curve. 

I don't think the argument is about As.  It is about B+s.  There's a common perception (supported by grade distributions that I've seen) that Queen's gives more B+s than other schools.  

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On 8/12/2019 at 3:20 PM, Trew said:

You're the prototypical law student: you have every reason to be confident in yourself yet have poor self-esteem

Love it.

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On 8/12/2019 at 12:20 PM, Trew said:

You're the prototypical law student: you have every reason to be confident in yourself yet have poor self-esteem

To be a prototypical lawstudent, one also should have a paper-thin veneer of affected overconfidence/hubris, imo. 

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LMAO your grades are fine and you will definitely get OCIs from big law and probably in firms/ a job if you interview well and have an interesting portfolio

 

 

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Honestly it never hurts to apply. At the very least you gain some much needed experience in preparing and submitting your application packages. That will help down the line. If I were you I would not rule out hearing back from firms. Your grades are good, not great. Plenty of people have gotten in with just "good".  

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