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1L grades and OCIs

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Hello all,

After speaking to a few students in the biglaw/Bay Street firms, I’m worried about my chances of obtaining OCIs in the fall. 

I just completed 1L at Windsor Law and my grades are as follows:

A2J: 80

LRW: 80

Crim: 80

Torts: 79

Con: 74

Property: 73

Contracts: 72

I’m currently working on networking with students and lawyers. I have some experience working at a law firm as a volunteer during undergrad. Any advice would be much appreciated. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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My apologies, I meant to add in that I am wondering what my prospects will be like for firms in Toronto 

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Start by converting to a letter grade average if possible and providing the grade curve your school is on.

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Converted to a letter grade, my grades are A-, A-, A-, B+, B, B, B-. I have a B+ average and there is a B grade curve (73 - 76%). 

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I have heard people need 80+ from Windsor for Big Law in Toronto.

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I think those are good grades and thus you’d have decent prospects. 

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1 hour ago, Oddduck said:

I have heard people need 80+ from Windsor for Big Law in Toronto.

Thats.. .that's just false. 

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I just happened to stumble across this specific post, but this advice likely applies to anyone who just received their grades and finds themselves wondering what those letters mean for your OCI prospects. 

  • Ask your school's career office: You should be able to get a general idea about what your grades (from your school) mean from there. They will know what other students who got the job in previous years did in order to get there, and whether a given set of grades is "good" for that employer or not. They will also be able to look at your CV and give you a better guess than people on this forum who can't see that. Some schools have more optimistic career offices than others, but in general, they ought to have the information to make a decent ballpark estimate.
  • Ask an upper year: This can be hard if you feel that your grades are "bad" but if there's someone in the upper years you trust not to share your grade information with everyone else, you might want to try asking them. Alternatively, you can ask an upper year with a job you want about what their transcript looked like when they applied. Ideally, you're already talking to past summer students at the places you want to work before you apply. Upper years might also give you a better answer than your overly-optimistic or overly-pessimistic career office.
  • Ask your academic dean or whatever what the average grade distribution is. Then you can more reasonably think about whether you have above or below average grades.
  • Your grades should not generally be a thing that prevents you from applying to certain places. There are obviously exceptions to this, and you should ask the above people for details on what those exceptions look like for you, with your grades and at your school.

Regardless of your grades, you should be doing lots of research and asking your mentors where you could/ought to apply. Apply to every place you can see yourself working at during articling and beyond. Apply to every place that shows interest in the area of law you want to do and which gives you good summer experience that you could then take advantage of during the articling recruit.  

I hope this helps!

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On 5/23/2019 at 7:54 AM, LawStudent051 said:

 

I just completed 1L at Windsor Law and my grades are as follows:

Torts: 79

are you a dual student? I am confused since torts wasn't offered to 1L's this year.

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dual students don't have torts first year either. 

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9 hours ago, SammyS said:

dual students don't have torts first year either. 

Yeah that’s weird. No 1L in Windsor is taking torts... the only other class OP could have meant is ILT? Seems like a strange mistake to make, but I suppose it’s possible.

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