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On 6/13/2019 at 9:37 PM, harveyspecter993 said:

From what I recall the full year ones include investor protection, business and CLASP. There are a couple more full year clinics and a decent number of half year ones. That said, the length of the clinic should not be a factor in deciding which clinic to apply to or accept an offer from.

I'm not sure if I agree with you here, to be honest. It helps to factor in the amount of experience you'll get, whether you'd get to stay involved on campus etc. It shouldn't be the only factor, but I know many who went with Parkdale over CLASP or CLASP over Parkdale based on the length of the clinic 

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4 minutes ago, ZineZ said:

I'm not sure if I agree with you here, to be honest. It helps to factor in the amount of experience you'll get, whether you'd get to stay involved on campus etc. It shouldn't be the only factor, but I know many who went with Parkdale over CLASP or CLASP over Parkdale based on the length of the clinic 

When do applications open for clinics that start and end in second semester?

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8 minutes ago, jayoh said:

When do applications open for clinics that start and end in second semester?

They all open at the same time regardless of semester. Early Jan and deadlines being later in the month 

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1 minute ago, ZineZ said:

They all open at the same time regardless of semester. Early Jan and deadlines being later in the month 

I guess transfer students are out of luck then

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31 minutes ago, jayoh said:

I guess transfer students are out of luck then

Yep. Transfers normally do a 3L clinic. You'll have some last minute opportunities open up, but it's really rare. 

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On 6/14/2019 at 1:25 AM, RollMaster said:

Passy is the entire complex with several buildings. Certain buildings within Passy are "Osgoode Chambers", meaning only Osgoode students live in that specific building e.g. Passy 14 and 16 are Osgoode Chambers. If you live in Osgoode Chambers, you necessarily are in Passy. If you live in Passy, you may not be in Osgoode Chambers. It makes no difference though.

I'm unfamiliar with that specific intensive, however, in general, they are super competitive. If you don't get in it for 2L, you can always try again in 3L. Sorry I can't speak more to that one in particular - maybe someone else here has some experience with it.

Yes ^^

Just confirmed I will be living at 16 Passy (OZ Chambers). Thanks for the insight! I tired looking online for the intensive and they don't really offer any student experience. Would be great to hear but I guess I can wait until I start. 

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9 hours ago, ZineZ said:

I'm not sure if I agree with you here, to be honest. It helps to factor in the amount of experience you'll get, whether you'd get to stay involved on campus etc. It shouldn't be the only factor, but I know many who went with Parkdale over CLASP or CLASP over Parkdale based on the length of the clinic 

That's fair. We all have different criteria when it comes to choosing our extracurriculars. I was looking for what would give me a lot to talk about in an interview so I wasn't really concerned about the clinic's length. I was actually more concerned about how many credits a clinic is because those 15 credit ones really limit how much choice you have when it  comes to course selection. Some will say that upper year courses are largely pointless but there are nonetheless a lot of really interesting sounding courses that I would really like to take before graduating.

 

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4 hours ago, harveyspecter993 said:

That's fair. We all have different criteria when it comes to choosing our extracurriculars. I was looking for what would give me a lot to talk about in an interview so I wasn't really concerned about the clinic's length. I was actually more concerned about how many credits a clinic is because those 15 credit ones really limit how much choice you have when it  comes to course selection. Some will say that upper year courses are largely pointless but there are nonetheless a lot of really interesting sounding courses that I would really like to take before graduating.

 

Tbh I did the 15 credit route and haven't regretted it for a second. The hands on experience I got was invaluable and I do feel like I learned more there than I did with some courses. 

I know you've probably been told this, but it's not the worst idea to do some bar courses. It's not make or break, but it does help a bit. 

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3 hours ago, ZineZ said:

Tbh I did the 15 credit route and haven't regretted it for a second. The hands on experience I got was invaluable and I do feel like I learned more there than I did with some courses. 

I know you've probably been told this, but it's not the worst idea to do some bar courses. It's not make or break, but it does help a bit. 

What are some bar courses?

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5 hours ago, ZineZ said:

Tbh I did the 15 credit route and haven't regretted it for a second. The hands on experience I got was invaluable and I do feel like I learned more there than I did with some courses. 

I know you've probably been told this, but it's not the worst idea to do some bar courses. It's not make or break, but it does help a bit. 

If you mean take courses that help on the bar exam then yeah I've been told that. I'm planning to leave that for 3L though.

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Seriously though, don’t take a course if all you want to do it for is to “know” the material for the bar exam. The bar materials give you all the info you need. It’s not worth wasting your time taking a course you otherwise don’t care about. 

Now if you have other interests do take it. But just for the bar? Pass. 

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