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First year associate salary - Family/Estates law in Toronto

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So as a new lawyer, your question needs to be "okay so how much work are you going to give me?" If its none, then why should you even work for this person?

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Independent contractor is normal. Many smaller firms operate that way. Make sure that you're putting money aside for taxes.

33% on billed or collected? That is very different so I don't see how it's both.

 1/3 seems low to me, IMO. I normally see 60/40 splits. Also, I agree with Celli - how much work is being handed off to you. Will all new incoming legal aid clients be yours? Or only if a new client calls?

 

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7 hours ago, annied said:

So got my contract. I am being offered compensation based on being an independent contractor. Offer is 33% of billed and collected billings. Is this offer normal practice? IMO:

1) I don't believe I qualify as an independent contractor

2) It's daunting to not have a  guaranteed salary as a first year

Again for context, single owner firm with 3 associates, practice area - family, real estate, wills/estates, location - right outside downtown Toronto.

Any input would be helpful.

 

Why is it that you think you're an employee, as opposed to a contractor? 

 

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4 minutes ago, Luckycharm said:

what about

health insurance

Practice insurance

law society membership fees 

other

 

 

OP said they would be an independent contractor. 

In that case, practice fees are going to be OPs responsiblity.  

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Heath insurance at a small firm!? Where is this magical firm? 

The law society has something for people. 

Some independent contractors *could* have their fees paid. I mean, that's a tax write off for the company. Mind you, an independent contractor likely would want the tax relief.

I think OP needs to figure out whether it's payment on billed vs collected, verify whether that includes disbursement amounts, how many clients will be fed, whether they hae access to firm resources such as admin support, when the pay cycle will be, and negotiate to at least 40%.

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@artsydork

 

I meant 33% on collected. With no base at all, yes I thought that was on the low end as well.

There is no health insurance but all fees are paid. 

What do you mean about disbursement amounts? I am not clear on that.

I am not worried about work. We are very busy, and we do not do legal aid. 

I have access to all firm resources. 

Payment will be each billing cycle which is monthly. 

 

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