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Hi Everyone,

I'm an incoming 2019 2L summer student at a full-service Bay St. firm. I understand that these summer positions usually transition to articling positions, but I am interested in learning of how one obtains the articling position from the summer studentship. 

In essence, is an articling position all but guaranteed to a summer student, or did you find that the summer studentship was used as a test? Are there ever interviews at the end of the summer that are used to determine suitability for articling? Or, was it assumed that you would get articling?

I realize I should have probably asked for this information during the recruit, but all the students I spoke to basically said 'not to worry'. Any information you can provide on the relationship between a summer position and articling position is appreciated. 

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I think it was @Uriel who once said that a summer student at his firm almost burned down the building and still got hired back as an articling student.

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I think Uriel *was* that student. 

But I remember it being tripping the fire alarm that emptied the building. 

I like the addition of real flames tho. Let’s go with that version. 

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I’ve been told you have to royally stand out in a bad way not to get hired back for articling. I hardly know if this actually happened but a friend of mine told me a story he/she heard from a friend of his/hers about one student being aggressively sexual towards co-workers and not being hired back. But for the love of god no one use this as a bar for almost how bad you can be.

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You would have to do something pretty egregious to not receive an articling offer. 

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It's virtually guaranteed that you'll be invited to return as an articling student. However, depending on the firm, your performance as a summer student may have some -- though likely not much -- bearing on whether or not you get hired back as an associate.

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It can be a much lower bar than flagrant behavioural issues. At my place a student was not hired back for articles because she was vocally dissatisfied with the kind of work she was given, which was going to be identical to the work she'd have as an articling student and early associate.  

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This is all great information, thank you so much! I was really only worried about not being asked back due to a lack of knowledge/not knowing how to do anything, but it seems like firms recognize this and do not use it as a reason for exclusion.... (I hope so, at least!)

Thank you, once again! 

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23 minutes ago, DeluxeVegan said:

This is all great information, thank you so much! I was really only worried about not being asked back due to a lack of knowledge/not knowing how to do anything, but it seems like firms recognize this and do not use it as a reason for exclusion.... (I hope so, at least!)

Thank you, once again! 

Everyone lacks knowledge and no one knows anything. You’re fine lol 

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On 1/16/2019 at 11:15 AM, Eeee said:

It can be a much lower bar than flagrant behavioural issues. At my place a student was not hired back for articles because she was vocally dissatisfied with the kind of work she was given, which was going to be identical to the work she'd have as an articling student and early associate.  

Well that makes sense. Lol I can't imagine wanting to keep this kind of employee on. They're obviously going to leave for something better as soon as it becomes available. And if it doesn't you're stuck with the complaining for the long term. 

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1 hour ago, ericontario said:

Well that makes sense. Lol I can't imagine wanting to keep this kind of employee on. They're obviously going to leave for something better as soon as it becomes available. And if it doesn't you're stuck with the complaining for the long term. 

If hireback is your goal, questions like the following are never innocuous-

"Are you happy with the work you're doing?"

"Do you want exposure to other areas of the practice?"

"Where do you envision yourself in 5 years?"

etc.

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On 1/14/2019 at 3:00 PM, DeluxeVegan said:

Hi Everyone,

I'm an incoming 2019 2L summer student at a full-service Bay St. firm. I understand that these summer positions usually transition to articling positions, but I am interested in learning of how one obtains the articling position from the summer studentship. 

In essence, is an articling position all but guaranteed to a summer student, or did you find that the summer studentship was used as a test? Are there ever interviews at the end of the summer that are used to determine suitability for articling? Or, was it assumed that you would get articling?

I realize I should have probably asked for this information during the recruit, but all the students I spoke to basically said 'not to worry'. Any information you can provide on the relationship between a summer position and articling position is appreciated. 

Roll up your sleeves, work hard, don't be afraid to take initiative, and never say no to a project, and you'll be fine. 

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Summer jobs are more so for YOU to make sure that YOU like that particular firm and more broadly, that area of practice. Don't just look at them as the employer assessing you - you are also assessing the employer, and yourself. Take time to ask questions of the articling students and the lawyers, to observe what the lawyers do on a daily basis, to ask to try different rotations, check out both litigation and solicitor work, etc. This is a fairly low-pressure environment for you where not much is expected of you and it is very hard to screw up, and you won't have that luxury again. Getting hired back is about more than the immediate concern of having a job and money - it is about how happy and fulfilled you are going to be for the next few months. 

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On 1/14/2019 at 3:41 PM, Hegdis said:

I think Uriel *was* that student. 

But I remember it being tripping the fire alarm that emptied the building. 

I like the addition of real flames tho. Let’s go with that version. 

Yes, let the urban legend grow.

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(For the record, the managing partner was very cool about it)

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