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I have struggled all of my university life not knowing exactly what was wrong with me. This winter break, I kind of got it all sorted out and it was my mental illness holding me back. Now that I have sorted that out, I really want to start my pursue of law, but I am afraid I have already ruined my chances before the race even started. 

My gpa is as follows:

1st year: 2.6

 2nd year: 2.6

 3rd year first semester: 2.2.

I am in 3rd year second semester now and will aim for the highest I can get. I am a psychology major (seemed to be the easiest degree to get), and my plan is to graduate in my 5th year so when I apply to schools that look at my last two years (60 credits), they will see my 5th and 4th year, which will hopefully be good. However, I have multiple Fs and Ws, will the law schools look at these or will they exclusively only look at my last 60 credits? Have I completely ruined my chances with my bad cGPA? I feel terrible and I feel like a failure with my gpa and that I have just wasted my time in university. I wonder if any of you guys have been in the same shoes as me and how did you guys recover from it?

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2 minutes ago, Luckycharm said:

Do you have documentations for your mental illness?

why do you want to pursue law?

I do not have documentations, but I can get them if you would think that would help me in the long run. 

I want to pursue law because first, I took some courses regarding law and I really enjoyed them, second, I kinda figured out late that biological sciences is not for me (all my low marks are because of those courses), third, I heard about some schools only looking at the last two years, which give me a little bit of hope and not just completely drop out of school, fourth, I believe law would give a respectable job that I would be happy working for the rest of my life, fifth, I really do not have any other options that disregard my cGPA and look at my last two years. 
 

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1 hour ago, cguy said:

I want to pursue law because first, I took some courses regarding law and I really enjoyed them, second, I kinda figured out late that biological sciences is not for me (all my low marks are because of those courses), third, I heard about some schools only looking at the last two years, which give me a little bit of hope and not just completely drop out of school, fourth, I believe law would give a respectable job that I would be happy working for the rest of my life, fifth, I really do not have any other options that disregard my cGPA and look at my last two years. 
 

These don’t really sound like compelling reasons for why law school is something you’re passionate about....

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You mentioned that all of your low grades were from biological sciences courses and that you're now a psychology major, but your GPA decreased from a 2.6 in your first and second years to a 2.2 in third year. What happened? 

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27 minutes ago, Tagger said:

You mentioned that all of your low grades were from biological sciences courses and that you're now a psychology major, but your GPA decreased from a 2.6 in your first and second years to a 2.2 in third year. What happened? 

I just switched 2 days ago to a psychology major. From the psychology classes I have taken, I have done relatively good. 

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49 minutes ago, snailwannabe123 said:

These don’t really sound like compelling reasons for why law school is something you’re passionate about....

What are compelling reasons to go to law school other than the cookie-cutter answers?

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2 hours ago, cguy said:

I have struggled all of my university life not knowing exactly what was wrong with me. This winter break, I kind of got it all sorted out and it was my mental illness holding me back. Now that I have sorted that out, I really want to start my pursue of law, but I am afraid I have already ruined my chances before the race even started. 

My gpa is as follows:

1st year: 2.6

 2nd year: 2.6

 3rd year first semester: 2.2.

I am in 3rd year second semester now and will aim for the highest I can get. I am a psychology major (seemed to be the easiest degree to get), and my plan is to graduate in my 5th year so when I apply to schools that look at my last two years (60 credits), they will see my 5th and 4th year, which will hopefully be good. However, I have multiple Fs and Ws, will the law schools look at these or will they exclusively only look at my last 60 credits? Have I completely ruined my chances with my bad cGPA? I feel terrible and I feel like a failure with my gpa and that I have just wasted my time in university. I wonder if any of you guys have been in the same shoes as me and how did you guys recover from it?

Start getting good grades now (not necessary for law school only).

Coming back with good L2 GPA (3.7+) and good LSAT score (160+) 2 years later you will have very good chance to get into Canadian law school(s) if law is still your goal.

 

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1 hour ago, NeverGiveUp said:

Start getting good grades now (not necessary for law school only).

Coming back with good L2 GPA (3.7+) and good LSAT score (160+) 2 years later you will have very good chance to get into Canadian law school(s) if law is still your goal.

 

Sounds good. Will law schools look at me negatively if I extend my degree to 5 years, and take 200-level courses to boost my GPA (go toward my major and minor) and maybe a couple of other courses that do not necessarily go toward my major or minor, but I could always say it was for a minor that I initially thought about, but decided against it. 

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13 minutes ago, cguy said:

Sounds good. Will law schools look at me negatively if I extend my degree to 5 years, and take 200-level courses to boost my GPA (go toward my major and minor) and maybe a couple of other courses that do not necessarily go toward my major or minor, but I could always say it was for a minor that I initially thought about, but decided against it. 

The following most likely answered your questions:

https://law.uwo.ca/future_students/jd_admissions/admissions_FAQ/grades_and_courses.html

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1 hour ago, cguy said:

Sounds good. Will law schools look at me negatively if I extend my degree to 5 years, and take 200-level courses to boost my GPA (go toward my major and minor) and maybe a couple of other courses that do not necessarily go toward my major or minor, but I could always say it was for a minor that I initially thought about, but decided against it. 

 

Some may. The University of Alberta doesn't care as long as you're not taking introductory level courses that are not applicable to your degree. I have 5 years of undergraduate completed because of changing majors. My GPA for my first couple years of undergraduate was terrible. I still got accepted on the first day of acceptances in January.

The University of Alberta is one of the most forgiving schools when it comes to those who performed poorly in the past. As long as you're able to perform at an A-student level for 2 years and perform well on the LSAT you have a good chance.

 

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1 hour ago, Toad said:

 

Some may. The University of Alberta doesn't care as long as you're not taking introductory level courses that are not applicable to your degree. I have 5 years of undergraduate completed because of changing majors. My GPA for my first couple years of undergraduate was terrible. I still got accepted on the first day of acceptances in January.

The University of Alberta is one of the most forgiving schools when it comes to those who performed poorly in the past. As long as you're able to perform at an A-student level for 2 years and perform well on the LSAT you have a good chance.

 

Would you know the deal with repeated courses? Like if I have failed a course in 2nd year and wanted to retake in my 4th year, how would UofA look at that? Would they look at the two grades, or only the last 60 credits that had the most recent grade for that course?

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You won't have a chance at Waterloo nor anyone could have a chance because Waterloo does not have a law school yet.

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8 hours ago, cguy said:

Oh wow this is great. It is sad that I ruined my chances of Waterloo because they look at all the years. Do you think there is a FAQ page similar to this for the other L2/B2 schools because I cannot find them :(

Waterloo may have a law school in the future but not now. :)

The link is for Western.

People got into law school (Manitoba) with 2.02 GPA but 174 LSAT:

https://lawstudents.ca/forums/topic/46659-accepted-to-manitoba-2017/?page=4

Focus on your study now and worry about law school admissions 2 years later.

Good luck!

 

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9 hours ago, cguy said:

Would you know the deal with repeated courses? Like if I have failed a course in 2nd year and wanted to retake in my 4th year, how would UofA look at that? Would they look at the two grades, or only the last 60 credits that had the most recent grade for that course?

The following is regarding repeated courses from Calgary (I guess Alberta is the same):

What if I repeated a course?

How a repeated course is used in the GPA depends on whether both or only one of the grades falls within the last 20 half courses:

 If both fall within the last 20 half courses, only the highest grade will be used in the GPA

 If one of the courses fall within the last 20 half courses, we use that grade and disregard the grade that falls outside the last 20 half courses

https://law.ucalgary.ca/sites/default/files/teams/2/gpa-faq.pdf

 

 

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4 hours ago, NeverGiveUp said:

The following is regarding repeated courses from Calgary (I guess Alberta is the same):

What if I repeated a course?

How a repeated course is used in the GPA depends on whether both or only one of the grades falls within the last 20 half courses:

 If both fall within the last 20 half courses, only the highest grade will be used in the GPA

 If one of the courses fall within the last 20 half courses, we use that grade and disregard the grade that falls outside the last 20 half courses

https://law.ucalgary.ca/sites/default/files/teams/2/gpa-faq.pdf

 

 

Oh wow, thank you so much. This makes me feel a whole lot better! :)

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7 hours ago, Luckycharm said:

You won't have a chance at Waterloo nor anyone could have a chance because Waterloo does not have a law school yet.

Woops! Sorry, I meant Western ahahah

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5 hours ago, NeverGiveUp said:

Waterloo may have a law school in the future but not now. :)

The link is for Western.

People got into law school (Manitoba) with 2.02 GPA but 174 LSAT:

https://lawstudents.ca/forums/topic/46659-accepted-to-manitoba-2017/?page=4

Focus on your study now and worry about law school admissions 2 years later.

Good luck!

 

Yup, that's what I seems like the best course of action! I just wanted to ask, would you know any strategies to pull up my L2 GPA and that looks good in the eyes of law schools? I have suggested to extend my degree to increase my GPA, take 4 courses per semester instead of 5, and take easy courses in upper years that you can later on explain that you were thinking about switching majors/minors, but is there any other things such as that? 

Thanks again for all the help!

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6 minutes ago, cguy said:

Yup, that's what I seems like the best course of action! I just wanted to ask, would you know any strategies to pull up my L2 GPA and that looks good in the eyes of law schools? I have suggested to extend my degree to increase my GPA, take 4 courses per semester instead of 5, and take easy courses in upper years that you can later on explain that you were thinking about switching majors/minors, but is there any other things such as that? 

Thanks again for all the help!

Those are good suggestions.

I suggest you take courses you are interested if possible instead of the easy courses in upper years (You will get better grades with the courses you are interested) .

You can also take courses you are interested to raise your L2 GPA after graduation as a Non Degree student.

Also suggest you take a LSAT course during summer time.

Good luck!

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