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Chances? (3.98 cGPA / 3.98 L2 / 167/ Poor ECs)

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Hi guys,

I'm currently going into my fourth year of undergrad with a 3.98 cGPA (out of 4). I'm planning on taking the September LSAT and the average for my last few PTs (5 sectioned, timed with bubbling and in the morning) is 167 with 169 being my most recent. I'm planning to apply to McGill and broadly in Ontario with my top choice being McGill.

From what I understand, the general sentiment of this forum seems to be that ECs are not very important when it comes to law school applications. However, I noticed that a few weeks ago, Ryn put out a new admissions predictor stating that cGPA and LSAT only contributes 35%-60% of one's chances and that got me worried. Most of my extracurriculars are concentrated in my first two years and they are, in my opinion, not exceptional. After my second year, the bulk of my extracurriculars has been research which, without a scientific paper published, doesn't seem very impressive.

Am I worrying too much for nothing? Do extracurriculars actually matter a whole lot? I prefer not to start any this semester since it probably won't seem genuine and won't, in fact, be genuine. Any advice?

PS If I have too much identifying information, please let me know.  

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The title of this post is misleading because you don’t have an LSAT score yet but I doubt you’ll have difficulty getting into an Ontario school if you hit your recent PT average.

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Only bit of trouble you might have will be UofT since they weigh your application package as 1/3 LSAT, 1/3 GPA, and 1/3 personal statements. But, your stellar GPA and (hopefully) very good LSAT should be enough to overcome mediocre PS. You will get into McGill 100%. 

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2 hours ago, Lumos said:

However, I noticed that a few weeks ago, Ryn put out a new admissions predictor stating that cGPA and LSAT only contributes 35%-60% of one's chances and that got me worried. Most of my extracurriculars are concentrated in my first two years and they are, in my opinion, not exceptional. After my second year, the bulk of my extracurriculars has been research which, without a scientific paper published, doesn't seem very impressive.

Am I worrying too much for nothing? Do extracurriculars actually matter a whole lot? I prefer not to start any this semester since it probably won't seem genuine and won't, in fact, be genuine. Any advice?

PS If I have too much identifying information, please let me know.  

This is a quick demonstration of how the media manages to mangle headlines. It's not saying that cGPA/LSAT only make up 35-60% of the Adcom's decision on whether to admit you or not, but that the two numbers taken together (and without further context) can explain 35-60% of the variation in one's odds of acceptance, or the predictive power of the model. (Here's to showing that more intensive stats courses are needed as part of every undergrad degree)

And ECs don't matter with strong stats outside of schools like Windsor. I applied with basically no ECs, went in with two small jobs and a volunteering gig the start of 4th year that I thought looked disingenuous as fuck. Still got early offers with stats a decent bit weaker than your own from mid tier Ontario schools.

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I had similar (worse, even) stats with 0 meaningful ECs and got in everywhere I applied, including McGill and the University of Toronto.

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