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On 2/3/2018 at 12:31 PM, bhaywardio said:

I'm from Northern Ontario and have never been to either city. Windsor is closer to family and is more affordable. Queen's seems more appealing to me as a school. Windsor has irked me with the recent leak and their response to my questions was rather lackluster. Queen's costs are somewhat restrictive. 

Any opinions would be welcome!

Edit: Since I know it's coming, I am open to working anywhere. I do not have ambitions to work on Bay Street, although that may change in time. I am really prioritizing cost and the best means of repaying debt.  

Do you want to return to practice in Northern Ontario?

If so, Queen's has a strong aboriginal law program (and getting stronger, from what I hear) that may be a big plus for practice in the North.

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22 hours ago, whoknows said:

This is so accurate. Whenever I see Windsor universally panned in threads on this board I can't help but laugh. There are distinct advantages and disadvantages to the school. But having spoken to a large number of recruiters I've heard nothing but pretty solid reviews on how they feel about Windsor students. I can't help but feel that people who are so eager to slag Windsor are so uncomfortable in their own choices than they make themselves feel important and superior by shooting at an easy target. 

I mean, 6k a year in tuition off the top. Cost of living in Kingston is way higher as well. Probably 30k or so over a 3 year program. 

$30k is a def. a material difference.

I had a choice of going to a less expensive school and didn't take it, and I'm glad I didn't. However, I don't think I would have saved $30k.

Tough choice...

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I would like to amend this thread.

Queens vs. Windsor vs. Ottawa U, in no particular order. 

Happy to have choices, even happier to have access to the insight of my peers :) any input appreciated!

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On 2/3/2018 at 12:31 PM, bhaywardio said:

I'm from Northern Ontario and have never been to either city. Windsor is closer to family and is more affordable. Queen's seems more appealing to me as a school. Windsor has irked me with the recent leak and their response to my questions was rather lackluster. Queen's costs are somewhat restrictive. 

Any opinions would be welcome!

Edit: Since I know it's coming, I am open to working anywhere. I do not have ambitions to work on Bay Street, although that may change in time. I am really prioritizing cost and the best means of repaying debt.  

Great choices to have! Queen's is a fantastic school that places very well in jobs across Ontario and across the country. I have a few friends there and they all speak really highly of the program and the student body, and overall I think it would be a great spot.

I'd still like to make a case for Windsor though - I'm currently a student there and think it's a hidden gem. It's a fantastic school with a great faculty and a really good group of students. Don't base your impression of it off of your interaction with staff and the data leak. Since you've already been given so much info in this thread already I'll just touch on an aspect of Windsor's program that I think will appeal to you:

Windsor does place students on Bay Street. As much as people like to disagree, it is a perfectly good option, and if you choose that route - with hard work, good grades and good interviews, you can make yourself an excellent candidate for a Bay Street position. Windsor also is particularly strong in offering opportunities in other areas of work, be it in the public sector, the MAG, NGO's and charities, legal clinic work, etc. There is a lot of support at the school if this is a career path you wish to explore, and there are excellent experiences throughout the school year and during the summer to explore these areas.

I'm certain Queen's would have comparable opportunities - but just wanted to share my thoughts on how Windsor is an excellent school for someone who does not know what type of legal career they want because of the diversity of choices available.

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On 2/6/2018 at 2:49 PM, bhaywardio said:

I would like to amend this thread.

Queens vs. Windsor vs. Ottawa U, in no particular order. 

Happy to have choices, even happier to have access to the insight of my peers :) any input appreciated!

Still Queen's.

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One of my friends is a Windsor grad. He didn't get a Bay St job. He said he would have chosen Queens over Windsor in a heartbeat. I can't remember but someone said that 40-50 Queens JD graduates end up on Bay St. If you're thinking Corporate Law, Queens is definitely the better business school. 

 

On 2/5/2018 at 12:22 PM, WindsorHopeful said:

It seems like it’s time for me to chime in! I am a Windsor resident, and I enjoy the city. I can admit that my interest in the city is in part due to relationships I have here and my interest in my current job but I think the city itself is great.

For some back story: Im from NL. Grew up in St. Johns before moving to Windsor in Sept 2015 for my M.A. Before that I also lived in London (UK) for about 5 months. 

I like Windsor for a variety of reasons:
- As everyone has mentioned, the cost of living is amazing. You can find a decent 1 bedroom for $600.
- There is quite a bit to do in Windsor itself. Yeah, of course it’s no Toronto, but it’s easy to have a good night out here. Lots of great restaurants, and a good nightlife. I think 29 park is a fun club and the casino is a real asset. 
- There are lots of sports/other activities to get involved with. I’ve played 3 different sports through a rec league which was not associated with the university and it was a great experience. For pretty much any interest, there is a club or team you can get involved with in the city. 
- Detroit. I cannot emphasize this enough. During my first year here, I lived closer to the Red Wing stadium than the University of Windsor. Being able to attend sports games and concerts so easily is awesome. Plus, the shopping is incredible. So many large malls and outlet stores within a half hour drive of downtown Windsor. Detroit also just updated/expanded their public transit. 
- The train to Toronto is not bad. $100 round trip and Via is pretty comfortable. I went to Toronto 2 weekends each month during my M.A and it was easily manageable. 

Basically, Windsor is just like any other medium sized city- just cheaper. Pretty much anything you want to do you can find here and if for some reason you can’t, I am sure it is available in Detroit. People who were born here hate it but I found the same thing was true when I was in St. Johns- I guess it's just a classic example of the ‘grass is always greener’ mentality. 

But yeah, I like Windsor. It’s not dreary or half as bad as people on this forum make it seem. 
 

^ I have also heard Windsor is extremely cheap. That could be a major factor in OP's decision. 

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I'll post here rather than in a new thread. 

Queens vs. Osgoode? Both have opportunity for practical experience in law that I am interested in. Queens is more affordable and has smaller class sizes. Osgoode provides (potentially?) more access to the Toronto legal market were that to become an ambition. Kingston would be an easier transition for me than Toronto. However, were Osgoode to offer use of their ICLP, I'd be hard pressed to decline. Thoughts, feelings, emotions?

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21 minutes ago, bhaywardio said:

I'll post here rather than in a new thread. 

Queens vs. Osgoode? Both have opportunity for practical experience in law that I am interested in. Queens is more affordable and has smaller class sizes. Osgoode provides (potentially?) more access to the Toronto legal market were that to become an ambition. Kingston would be an easier transition for me than Toronto. However, were Osgoode to offer use of their ICLP, I'd be hard pressed to decline. Thoughts, feelings, emotions?

Osgoode is way more diverse than Queen's if that matters to you (both in terms of class profile and course selection). Osgoode bursaries are very generous. Grading wise, Osgoode has the most brutal curve that I've seen. A poster provided a link to Queen's first-year class grades, and almost no C's were handed out. In comparison, most Osgoode students get used to seeing a couple C grades on their transcripts. If you want to work in Toronto then you should absolutely go to Osgoode. Always attend the law school in the legal market that you want to practice in if you have the option to do so. Osgoode class size is 290 and Queen's is 200. However, at Osgoode, they divide the first year class into 4 sections so you do take all your courses with the same 75 students. I personally think Osgoode's diverse student body is one of its biggest strengths. They tend to accept more mature, aboriginal, and racialized students than other comparable schools like Toronto, Western, and Queen's. Queen's as an institution is known for its white, privileged student body, and the law school really is no different. That was what ultimately swayed me to Osgoode over Queen's, because I was looking forward to mingling in a more diverse class setting and wanted to work in Toronto. 

Edit: You won't find out whether you get the ICLP until you actually start your 1L semester at Osgoode. 

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Actual number of students in actual classes isn't going to vary much between schools. Every school will have sections in 1L. It isn't as though you're going to be sitting in class with 200 or 300 classmates. Look at student/faculty ratios if that interests you.

As for diversity, check the student profile pages of each school you're interested in. I can't speak for Queen's or Western but I attended a U of T event in the fall and this year's class has ~30% visible minorities and Aboriginal.

As always, check with the schools directly and don't rely solely on information given here.

Have you visited both schools? Either school? You're in Ontario so you should make every effort to do so. It will undoubtedly help you decide where you want to spend the next three years.

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7 hours ago, bhaywardio said:

I'll post here rather than in a new thread. 

Queens vs. Osgoode? Both have opportunity for practical experience in law that I am interested in. Queens is more affordable and has smaller class sizes. Osgoode provides (potentially?) more access to the Toronto legal market were that to become an ambition. Kingston would be an easier transition for me than Toronto. However, were Osgoode to offer use of their ICLP, I'd be hard pressed to decline. Thoughts, feelings, emotions?

I went with osgoode over queen's. 

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