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I echo habsfan93, despite hating his//her username.

I went to school in the States, but took the post-UBE NY bar. I fully, fully endorse Themis. Even if it costed the same as Barbri, I would say it's preferable. Given the cost difference and the fact you won't have biglaw firm to foot the bill for you, it's a no brainer to go with Themis over Barbri, to the extent you want to go with a prep course (which, if I were in your position, I would recommend).

While I took a US law degree, I embarrassingly actually never took US con law. I later did the NCA process, and to this day I feel like I know Canadian con law much better than US con law. That is to say: the info Themis provides on con law is more than enough to pass. The other material is doctrinally very similar to Canadian law, but as habsfan has said it is so obscure and specific in terms of how it's tested on the US bar that you really need to just approach bar study as if you're learning everything fresh and for the first time and put in the time to fill your short-term memory with it.

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sng - thanks for the additional thoughts and great advice! Because I've essentially been out of law for the last 3 years, even if I had to re-write a Canadian bar exam, I'd essentially approach it from scratch.

I appreciate the recommend re: Themis - even prior to your recommends I was favouring it over Barbri. There's a lot of variables as to whether or not I'll write the July or Feb (or write it at all), but it helps out my game plan.

Cheers!

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On 3/23/2018 at 11:46 PM, habsfan93 said:

I wrote the NY bar after the change to the UBE, after going to Canadian law school and articling in Canada. 

Hi habsfan,

Quick follow up question, do you recall how long it took the BOLE to make the decision on your foreign legal credentials after you submitted all the required documents? On the BOLE website it says give them up to 6 months to make a decision, but anecdotally I've heard of Canadians finding out significantly quicker. 

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1 hour ago, JBI said:

Hi habsfan,

Quick follow up question, do you recall how long it took the BOLE to make the decision on your foreign legal credentials after you submitted all the required documents? On the BOLE website it says give them up to 6 months to make a decision, but anecdotally I've heard of Canadians finding out significantly quicker. 

I can't recall exactly, I think it took at least a few months.  I did have a few Canadian friends who missed the 6 month deadline by a month or two but BOLE was still able to certify their credentials with plenty of time to spare before the bar.

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Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I'm debating Themis vs. Barbri and currently leaning Themis. Canadian JD grad, no real legal training in American law. If I go with Themis, should I go for the regular bar prep course or the LLM course (which appears designed for people who do not have American JDs). Concerned that the former will gloss over things that I need, while the latter will include too much information that will be obvious for me (since it's probably designed for people whose primary legal training is in civilian jurisdictions, etc.). Am I overthinking this and should obviously just go for the regular bar prep course?

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I think a smart high schooler could skip undergrad + law school and eek out a pass if they just really devoted themselves to either Barbri or Themis. Don't think you need to focus on the LLM course in particular. The issue LLMs usually face, truth be told, is just issues with English.

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Does anyone have any experience with Bar Max?  I have no experience with U.S. law. I have passed the bar in Ontario, and am planning to write in New York in February 2020. Any tips on what materials are important would be great. Not looking to spend 4000 USD on Barbri...

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Use the cheapest online-only bar prep program you can find out of Themis, Kaplan and Barbri. They're all equally good.

Barbri is the industry leader, only because it's more expensive and has been around forever so people wrongly think it will prepare them the best. But this is not true. They're all good, in fact I've heard nothing but excellent reviews from people who used Themis, good reviews on Kaplan, and mixed reviews on Barbri. Don't use Bar Max or any other prep course for the bar exam.

Do the online-only version, not the in-class version, unless you have attention issues and are one of those people who lacks the discipline to study at home and follow a program from start to finish. If you're one of those people, most bar exams will be challenging regardless. With the online versions, you can put lessons on 1.5x speed so the presenter sounds like a mouse but you can go through the material faster (comparing to your notes and taking the salient points from the presentation). 

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Also, most bar prep courses become cheaper the closer you get to the bar exam. Contact the rep at your school. Wait until around graduation to buy (or late in the second semester), tell them you're going to use another program instead. You can get like 50 percent discounts on these programs. I think Themis is the cheapest of the Big 3, followed by Kaplan and then Barbri.

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