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I have been accepted to the Paralegal Accelerated Program At Seneca College.  I will be moving from BC to attend and I am really getting cold feet as the online reviews for Seneca are really quite terrible! Anyone on this forum who can speak to the quality of the program at Seneca?  The reviews speak mostly to the Administration of the school as a whole, not specifically to the Paralegal program, but they make the school sound horrendous! Tuition mistakes, printing wrong Book lists, scheduling conflicts etc...

 

Thank you for your input. 

 

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Hello, 

 

I have been accepted to the Paralegal Accelerated Program At Seneca College.  I will be moving from BC to attend and I am really getting cold feet as the online reviews for Seneca are really quite terrible! Anyone on this forum who can speak to the quality of the program at Seneca?  The reviews speak mostly to the Administration of the school as a whole, not specifically to the Paralegal program, but they make the school sound horrendous! Tuition mistakes, printing wrong Book lists, scheduling conflicts etc...

 

Thank you for your input. 

 

 

I did two college programs there and to be honest I loved it. I learned tons and much of what I know today is thanks to the educations I received there.  I guess I should also mention that it made my law school experience seem like a walk in the park. 

 

Hope this helps dissipate some of your concerns!

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My office has taken in placement students from Seneca, and none of them had anything bad to say about their education. Paralegal programs often attract litigious people seeking to turn their stinky attitudes into a career. I didn't go to Seneca, but every year at my college there was an excrementally vocal minority who complained over everything, even when they themselves were in the wrong.

 

Thankfully, no such individuals from my class became licenced. I guess they discovered that they actually have to work at being a paralegal.

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For the sake of your sanity, for anyone considering to attend Seneca for their paralegal program (especially accelerated) don't do it. I would not wish it on my worst enemy.

The instructors want to do as little as possible. They are abusive in their treatment of ADULT students, especially those who require accommodations. Majority of the instructors ridicule students. The course requirements are inhumane with little to no feedback on your work. They give you no support what so ever, run away after classes to avoid answering questions, and never reply to emails.

Their books are outdated (which is a given with law, but it would be great if the teachers made the effort prior to the class and prepped, they would not tell us book is wrong on some things until we inquire about it due to the contradictory information we were getting). Some of the teachers’ methods of teaching are also very outdated. Which ultimately meant we were in fact learning outdated procedures or laws. Many of the students have had to youtube and find their own research to understand the content better, and it was found that showing up to class later would only confuse us.  Some instructors have no idea what they’re teaching, spend parts of the next class correcting the incorrect information they provided the class the session before, and confuse us even more.

My cohort, nearly the entire class dropped out due to the mistreatment they had to endure. The ones that desperately need the education or can't afford to pay the same tuition elsewhere stay. Some of the instructors even go as far as discussing in class how much they hate their jobs when attempting to excuse their nasty behaviours. Oh, and don't get me started on the fact that majority have not been licensed lawyers or practiced in many many years, and some in over 20 years. which would be fine, had they actually kept up to date with ANYHTING. Even the resume's and coverletter we were required to complete were based on resume formatting from 15-20 years ago. No, there are no paralegal instructors. Yes, majority of the instructors have no idea what the paralegal's scope of practice is nor do they use legitimate examples that suit our scope of practice.

That all goes without saying all the other negative things you hear about Seneca's administration in general are ALL true. All the issues mentioned by the original poster happened to me on the FIRST semester. We went as far as PURCHASING wrong books that we could not return, and on the second semester, we did not know our schedules until a few days before the start of the term.

There are a very few instructors that seem to genuinely care about their students, really wished there were more of them. I was at Seneca Paralegal Accelerated program because I am a passionate advocate, I wanted to learn, and build my business. I was curious. I wanted to do well. Seneca's environment was EXTREMELY toxic. As one of the instructors stated, it really is just a money machine.

Honestly, I could keep going…but you get the point. We had concluded they are attempting to weed out as many people as they can, and are trying to mold you to act and be a certain way. A nasty way. It really was so sad. 

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On 3/8/2017 at 9:57 AM, donoghuevstevenson said:

Paralegal programs often attract litigious people seeking to turn their stinky attitudes into a career. I didn't go to Seneca, but every year at my college there was an excrementally vocal minority who complained over everything, even when they themselves were in the wrong.

This amused me because as a case in point, the guy who wrote these books is the graduate of a paralegal program:

https://www.amazon.ca/Why-Sued-Taylor-Swift-Frivolous-ebook/dp/B0775ZQPG4

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1520441509/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i1

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On 12/7/2019 at 1:38 PM, CleanHands said:

This amused me because as a case in point, the guy who wrote these books is the graduate of a paralegal program:

https://www.amazon.ca/Why-Sued-Taylor-Swift-Frivolous-ebook/dp/B0775ZQPG4

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1520441509/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i1

"Paralegal studies" and being a paralegal in the US (or in any province but Ontario) is vastly different than being licenced by the LSO to provide legal services in Ontario. 

I believe that Ontario is the only jurisdiction in North America that allows someone other than a lawyer to provide legal services in an autonomous practice. 

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On 12/7/2019 at 1:36 AM, ronamichaels said:

For the sake of your sanity, for anyone considering to attend Seneca for their paralegal program (especially accelerated) don't do it. I would not wish it on my worst enemy.

The instructors want to do as little as possible. They are abusive in their treatment of ADULT students, especially those who require accommodations. Majority of the instructors ridicule students. The course requirements are inhumane with little to no feedback on your work. They give you no support what so ever, run away after classes to avoid answering questions, and never reply to emails.

Their books are outdated (which is a given with law, but it would be great if the teachers made the effort prior to the class and prepped, they would not tell us book is wrong on some things until we inquire about it due to the contradictory information we were getting). Some of the teachers’ methods of teaching are also very outdated. Which ultimately meant we were in fact learning outdated procedures or laws. Many of the students have had to youtube and find their own research to understand the content better, and it was found that showing up to class later would only confuse us.  Some instructors have no idea what they’re teaching, spend parts of the next class correcting the incorrect information they provided the class the session before, and confuse us even more.

My cohort, nearly the entire class dropped out due to the mistreatment they had to endure. The ones that desperately need the education or can't afford to pay the same tuition elsewhere stay. Some of the instructors even go as far as discussing in class how much they hate their jobs when attempting to excuse their nasty behaviours. Oh, and don't get me started on the fact that majority have not been licensed lawyers or practiced in many many years, and some in over 20 years. which would be fine, had they actually kept up to date with ANYHTING. Even the resume's and coverletter we were required to complete were based on resume formatting from 15-20 years ago. No, there are no paralegal instructors. Yes, majority of the instructors have no idea what the paralegal's scope of practice is nor do they use legitimate examples that suit our scope of practice.

That all goes without saying all the other negative things you hear about Seneca's administration in general are ALL true. All the issues mentioned by the original poster happened to me on the FIRST semester. We went as far as PURCHASING wrong books that we could not return, and on the second semester, we did not know our schedules until a few days before the start of the term.

There are a very few instructors that seem to genuinely care about their students, really wished there were more of them. I was at Seneca Paralegal Accelerated program because I am a passionate advocate, I wanted to learn, and build my business. I was curious. I wanted to do well. Seneca's environment was EXTREMELY toxic. As one of the instructors stated, it really is just a money machine.

Honestly, I could keep going…but you get the point. We had concluded they are attempting to weed out as many people as they can, and are trying to mold you to act and be a certain way. A nasty way. It really was so sad. 

Here is my issue with a lot of paralegals in Ontario:

Prior to regulation and to a large extent at the beginning of regulation, paralegals were people that had previous work experience in one area of law. They were former police officers representing accused in traffic court, they were former WSIB employees helping people appeal WSIB decisions, they were former union members assisting people at the Labour Board. They did not stray into other areas of law that they were not familiar with. 

Since regulation, and I don't think anyone envisioned this,  people with no previous legal experience have started to take a very basic college course and then started to provide legal services in multiple areas where they have no prior experience. 

I don't think the government or the Law Society foresaw these generalist paralegals. 

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On 12/7/2019 at 1:36 AM, ronamichaels said:

For the sake of your sanity, for anyone considering to attend Seneca for their paralegal program (especially accelerated) don't do it. I would not wish it on my worst enemy.

The instructors want to do as little as possible. They are abusive in their treatment of ADULT students, especially those who require accommodations. Majority of the instructors ridicule students. The course requirements are inhumane with little to no feedback on your work. They give you no support what so ever, run away after classes to avoid answering questions, and never reply to emails.

Their books are outdated (which is a given with law, but it would be great if the teachers made the effort prior to the class and prepped, they would not tell us book is wrong on some things until we inquire about it due to the contradictory information we were getting). Some of the teachers’ methods of teaching are also very outdated. Which ultimately meant we were in fact learning outdated procedures or laws. Many of the students have had to youtube and find their own research to understand the content better, and it was found that showing up to class later would only confuse us.  Some instructors have no idea what they’re teaching, spend parts of the next class correcting the incorrect information they provided the class the session before, and confuse us even more.

My cohort, nearly the entire class dropped out due to the mistreatment they had to endure. The ones that desperately need the education or can't afford to pay the same tuition elsewhere stay. Some of the instructors even go as far as discussing in class how much they hate their jobs when attempting to excuse their nasty behaviours. Oh, and don't get me started on the fact that majority have not been licensed lawyers or practiced in many many years, and some in over 20 years. which would be fine, had they actually kept up to date with ANYHTING. Even the resume's and coverletter we were required to complete were based on resume formatting from 15-20 years ago. No, there are no paralegal instructors. Yes, majority of the instructors have no idea what the paralegal's scope of practice is nor do they use legitimate examples that suit our scope of practice.

That all goes without saying all the other negative things you hear about Seneca's administration in general are ALL true. All the issues mentioned by the original poster happened to me on the FIRST semester. We went as far as PURCHASING wrong books that we could not return, and on the second semester, we did not know our schedules until a few days before the start of the term.

There are a very few instructors that seem to genuinely care about their students, really wished there were more of them. I was at Seneca Paralegal Accelerated program because I am a passionate advocate, I wanted to learn, and build my business. I was curious. I wanted to do well. Seneca's environment was EXTREMELY toxic. As one of the instructors stated, it really is just a money machine.

Honestly, I could keep going…but you get the point. We had concluded they are attempting to weed out as many people as they can, and are trying to mold you to act and be a certain way. A nasty way. It really was so sad. 

I went to Seneca not too long ago and I'm not even sure you and I went to the same school. Your account of the school is completely contradictory to my experiences.

At Seneca, the paralegal professors were phenomenal and extremely knowledgeable, all of which were either practising lawyers or paralegals. The program was well-organized. The profs will joke around with you, sometimes that includes jabs but I mean, we fired them right back at our profs. Assignments were at the standards they needed to be to challenge students while also teaching them to be effective advocates. Sometimes it was challenging to get in front of the class and present a moot case but I rather be challenged in the classroom than get reamed out by a deputy Judge because my professors went easy on me. You think the profs are hard, wait until you start practicing.

Yes, a majority of my cohort dropped out by the time I graduated, but I knew all of those people and for the most part that was because they weren't doing the work and got kicked out due to mandatory limits imposed by the LSO or they stopped having interest in the program.

Post-graduation I was hired by a firm and they said I was one of the most competent paralegal candidates they have had in years, which stems from Seneca's education. I'm still with the firm today. 

Overall, Seneca is recognized as one of the best paralegal schools in Ontario (and therefore Canada). Evidence of this is their longstanding record of success at moot competitions and mock trial competitions. I still have relationships with those professors and other students from my cohort. The experience you have at Seneca in the paralegal program is directly related to the effort you put in, which really doesn't require much. I had a great time on rez at Seneca and yet balanced it with an equally great education. 

That said, the administration of the school does suck.

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