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  1. Honestly, I see job ads where they're asking for 5+ years of experience and still ask for law school transcripts. I would not apply because they clearly have poor judgement and do not share the values I'd be looking for in an employer. To each their own though.
  2. I am so glad this thread exists! I am having such a difficult time with one particular assignment I'm working on. No important deadlines have been missed or anything but I just cannot find the motivation to complete it as quickly as I should be. I forced myself to sit at my computer until I'd finished parts of it this afternoon. I try to remember that I am working through a pandemic so I need to me kind to myself and others when it comes to productivity. It is challenging though.
  3. I work in-house though I articled at a firm. I can't speak to the stats of how many in-house articling students are hired back but if the in-house department is small (10 or fewer lawyers) then the odds of hire back aren't great simply because a junior lawyer would likely need to leave the department for a spot to open up. That's not to say that in-house numbers are stagnant (I actually think more organizations are hiring in-house now than they were even 5 years ago) but in-house departments would likely need to obtain budget approval to hire another lawyer to increase the size of their department. There are simply fewer opportunities at a small in-house department than there at a large or mid-size firm.
  4. One of the senior lawyers I work with is notorious for forgetting about almost everything I send (even after multiple e-mails and reminders). Does not have great admin support so I have had to step in many times and remind. Not ideal, annoying, and I should not have to do it but it is what it is. I find that bolding certain dates or important information in e-mails helps people pay attention. Odds are that some people will be reading your e-mail on a cell phone so headings can help as well depending on who is on the receiving end of your e-mail and how long it is.
  5. My advice is, if you want to be a lawyer, go to law school. If you're looking for money, get your MBA and network, network, network. $100k-200k range is absolutely doable in law. I do not work in Big law and make in that range. That said, what makes law difficult is the amount of stress and pressure that exists to put out excellent work product in a very short amount of time. When you are junior (and many senior in-house folks have this problem too) you have almost no control over your schedule. Emergencies or time-sensitive issues come in all the time and can have real consequences for people. In my line of work, sometimes it's even the risk of serious injury when it's a serious safety-related issue. In addition, delivering bad news/ news your client does not like/ dealing with very stressed out individuals going through the legal process is very stressful. If you are in an area of law where you are dealing with clients regularly, it can be quite draining and you can think about work long after your day has ended. Depending on the area of law, you can get be burned out very quickly so learning healthy habits is very important. So, in comparison to jobs out there in policy for example, I can quite firmly say I am underpaid based on my conversations with people in those jobs. However, in comparison to nurses working shifts on COVID wards, I can say I am in no way underpaid. It's all relative so that is why the advice you are going to get is to go to law school if you want to do the work because there are many other jobs that you can do to achieve that salary range.
  6. My first working on a weekend experience (in a full time job) was month 2 of articling after the "summer". I realized then what I was in for. I remember working three weekends in a row (so basically I was working almost an entire month straight) and thought what am I doing with my life? My work product was still acceptable but not exceptional and that is a crappy feeling. Now I'm in-house. My total hours are much better than when I worked at a firm but I often have evening or weekend work. I also have e-mails coming in from my boss or other execs quite late (11 p.m.) and on weekends. Some of these late e-mails are due to time zone differences but most are not. The expectation is to monitor my phone and e-mail (even when I'm out of the country on vacation) but I normally choose what to respond to and what not to respond to. It's 24/7 where I work with a lot of last minute urgent issues.
  7. This whole post is great. I will add my $0.02 to this discussion. I have worked in-house in two very different working environments. One was extremely regulated with clearly defined roles for all its staff. It was, here is your role stay within it, shut up, make it work and let the seniors do their work. Do not get in the way. With that came a certain lack of respect for in-house lawyers vs. opinions from outside counsel (even when those opinions were the same). The other was not regimented at all which is great in the sense that the role could be molded to the person but problematic in that processes have to be created on the go. There was a great deal of respect for in-house counsel but with that came a lot of responsibility if things go sideways. Trust and relationship building were paramount in this kind of environment. Personally, I do not thrive in a regimented environment so the second works better for me. I will echo that in my experience, relationship-building is everything in-house. If there is no trust and no relationship, you may as well see yourself out. Word of caution though - build relationships but stay out of the politics if you can avoid it.
  8. I created a "Books to read" list. I am lucky enough to be working from home but save about 1.5 hours in commuting time per day so I'm plowing through my pile of books. You can also borrow e-books for free through your local library's website which is great. I also watched Tiger King - it is so ridiculous that for a little bit, you can forget we're living through a pandemic.
  9. I think I am busier now working from home than I was at the office! Work keeps getting assigned and urgent matters are popping up to the point that I have pushed my "busy" work to the very bottom of the list. I have absolutely no idea when I will get to my non-urgent, loose deadline matters. 💩
  10. Mandatory work from home - we were already set up with this access including access to our file systems prior to now. No hiccups whatsoever. Meetings to be done over the phone, over videochat or postponed indefinitely. I must say, I'm pretty impressed by my office's forward thinking.
  11. Be honest about your intentions upfront. This lawyer may not be in a position to hire you but may know someone who is currently looking to hire. More importantly, are you actually interested in this area of law? Is it contracts, labour and employment, IP? What about it is interesting? What else would you like to know other than if there is a job available?
  12. Is it trial anxiety or court anxiety in general? I had nerves but not anxiety arguing court motions or pure legal argument cases but I experienced anxiety during Arbitration, specifically when calling witnesses and cross-examining. I focused on practicing that (i.e. taking trial advocacy courses, talking to my couch, etc.) and over-prepared until I felt more comfortable. The only way to get over it is to do it. I am told it gets better after the first 5 years but I plan to stop litigating altogether before then. I recommend tracking your symptoms. If the anxiety becomes a pattern and starts to interfere with your daily life, sleep, you bawl the entire way home from work the night before a hearing (just me?), etc., then speak to your doctor about it.
  13. I actually think it is a lot clearer during the recruit that the applicant was not successful than it is in the real world. No call, no job. Perfect, thank you, next. It's the real world where I am disappointed when employers don't let applicants know they are successful - especially after at least one interview. That is more like ghosting than not getting a call on call day would be.
  14. So... what exactly do you want them to ask you? From what you have stated, they are asking if you are committed to practicing in the area of law that they (presumably practice). Law is a business. It is expensive to constantly re-train and re-hire. You are a first-year call. I think that's a pretty normal question. You probably do not mean to come off this way but your whole post screams of entitlement.
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