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  1. NDP recently changed the law and introduced a minimum wage for professionals including articling students of $542/week. See Employment Standards Code Regulations.
  2. There is no established career path for any specific type of law. There is an established career path to becoming a lawyer, and if you've been accepted to law school, you are on it. What you do as a lawyer depends on what work you can find or what work is assigned to you at your firm. There's no pro bono cross-board transaction students of Canada club.
  3. There are a lot of ways to make an impact on environmental, health, and social justice issues using the skills you are developing in commercial law. To me, it sounds like your concern is with your clientele and not so much with the work itself.
  4. I suggest we start a pinned thread to settle this debate once and for all. Or at least memorialize the positions. I suggest a true debate format: 2 posters per side, all graduates of law school. Thread is locked for 2 hours (except to the 4 debaters) while the debaters duke it out, in view of the whole forum. After that, everyone else can jump in with their accolades (or arguments, more likely). The resolution is: all 1Ls should be advised against working part-time during law school. In case that doesn't happen...you can definitely take on a part time job and do well in law school. If you're working 25 hours, and have class for 16, you still have plenty of time left for other things, including studying. Also, because school and work are generally so different, it is possible to recover from one while doing the other, so you're less apt to burn out, in my opinion. Importantly, you have to be willing to put your foot down with work, if it's going to get in the way of school (e.g. I'd definitely skip a shift if it were the difference between handing an essay in on time or not.)
  5. I think some people use the terms synonymously. To me, the difference is that corporate law deals with the internal workings of a particular business, whereas commercial law deals with interactions between businesses. So, forming a company is corporate law, drafting/negotiating a loan agreement would be commercial.
  6. Perhaps we should all work together on a letter to the law society on the scourge of the "ethnic professional". As if the ethnics need legal services. /sarcasm. I know that's not quite what you're saying, but still. If there are so many incompetent lawyers out there, as you suggest, it really calls into question the effectiveness of self regulation. Anyways, in response to the original discussions, I think if you have a license to practice law right now, and you have some business sense, you can make decent money.
  7. Ah, didn't see the reference to Vancouver. Certainly not the average law student working at skadden either
  8. While I would not normally engage in a battle of anecdotes, however, I do wish to point out that I never said California Western Law is a good school because Asper graduated from there. I was providing an example of a lawyer, educated in the US, who has proven that the school attended does not necessarily determine the quality of lawyer. There are probably hundreds, if not thousands, of foreign trained lawyers who are doing good work for their clients in Canada on a daily basis. My only point is that we ought not look down on any member of our profession who behaves ethically, reasonably, competently, and in accordance with the law.
  9. I agree - OP graduating law school and leveraging his connection will not make him a good lawyer or a bad lawyer. It will just make him a lawyer, and then it is up to him to gain the skills necessary to be a good lawyer. Same as every law school graduate, with the exception of attending job interviews.
  10. I don't disagree with your sentiments. But GOOD criminal lawyers can be educated in the USA. You may have heard of a guy named David Asper. If not, check out the Milgaard decision. Alma mater: California Western School of Law.
  11. I'm not that concerned about the reasoning behind Diplock making the statements he did. I am also not necessarily disagreeing with the truth behind the statements, and I recognize as well that Diplock stated that the application of those statements to OP might not be fair. I was nonetheless triggered by the bolded section, and the implication throughout this thread that OP should not pursue law school in the US because he might later be looked down on. There are other legitimate arguments not to attend school in the US, including that the job with his family member may not be as certain as it presently seems. OP's choice should not be based on how he may later be perceived by his peers, especially when his services (and those of anyone interested in and willing to practice criminal defence) are so desperately needed.
  12. I can't help but take issue with the bolded statement and the suggestion that OP ought not attend school in the US and article with his family member because his peers might later look down on him. First of all, the fact that one lawyer would look down on another is offensive. I don't disagree that it may happen, but it is nonetheless offensive. We are professionals and officers of the Court, and for one lawyer to denigrate another based on the origin of his degree really casts the whole profession in a bad light. If we can't accept someone because they chose to attend school elsewhere (but otherwise met all the same standards that a Canadian lawyer has to in order to be called to bar), how is the profession to be relied on to protect those most vulnerable in our society? Also, I would suggest that all students and lawyers not have any concern whatever about their reputation among peers, provided that reputation is not earned as a result of unethical, unreasonable, or illegal behaviour; if you are doing what is right for your client, within the law, and with reasonable competence, the opinions of other lawyers or anyone else at all should not be of concern. Law is an insular community as it is, by virtue of the fact that there are so many obstacles to joining this profession. In my view, we would be doing a disservice to both our peers and the public to continue to encourage this insular mentality, including by suggesting that representing one's own ethnic community somehow detracts from their credibility as a professional.
  13. You should post what books you have here. I have my old textbooks and still use them from time to time as a starting point for research. When I was in school, I bought a book that was one edition out of date (I think it was a corporate law text) for $8. Still have that book, and use it from time to time (despite the fact that it's about 12 years old at this point). Most of the basic principles are still accurately covered. You might not get the discussion of cases that have happened in the last decade, but the majority of law is from before then anyways. I even had profs who assigned out of date texts, and then just pointed out where the texts were wrong. Anyways, not convinced these books should just be used as kindling.
  14. If the large firms use a central HRIS, they will easily be able to identify applications from an individual to more than one office. I thought Vancouver recruitment was during the same week as Toronto, but I may be wrong. If it is during the same week, that should make your decision about where to apply clearer. In terms of whether you should apply at only one office, I would suggest that applications to multiple offices could only have a neutral or negative effect. You'd probably be best off applying to more firms rather than more offices in terms of increasing your probability of finding a job. Blakes in Vancouver and Blakes in Toronto are probably seeking a similar type of associate, and if you don't fit that mold, your second application is taking away time you could be spending applying to a firm that is more well-suited to your personality/work style, etc.
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