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  1. This was the guy’s quote: I really don’t see how it counts as “provocative and--in this case--frankly dumb shit.” I guess it’s controversial, as any argument with which people disagree technically is, but you can disagree and make counter arguments (the “pushback” you mentioned) without accusing the guy of being deliberately dishonest.
  2. Guys, quit dogpiling on @Rusty164. His point about there being a distinction between wanting a good return and feeling entitled to it is a valid one, regardless of whether or not you agree with it. It was unfair of @Rashabon to accuse him of being disingenuous, and it’s totally fair for him to disengage at that point. Frankly, the Internet (and this forum) would be a lot better place if more people were willing to disengage at the point where the mudslinging starts.
  3. Y'know, surprisingly it's been a really good thread so far.
  4. I mean, it's a tuition deposit, so it counts toward what you will pay anyway. Worst that can happen is you pay it and then U of A gets back to you with an acceptance (immediately afterward if the universe is in a cruel mood, but hopefully later), at which point you have a decision to make. Basically, $500 is the price of a guarantee that you will be going to law school. Saving it means you risk missing out and having to apply next year. You're the only one who can decide whether $500 is worth that guarantee, but seeing as you applied to the other school I can only assume that means you'd be happy to go there should you not get into U of A, so I don't see why you wouldn't (otherwise why would you have applied there in the first place?)
  5. Pay your deposit. The chance U of A gets back to you in 36 hours is not worth the risk of accidentally missing the deposit deadline due to some online transaction screwup and then not getting an acceptance.
  6. I don't know where to find the specific number, but in a meeting with the Dean he said it was above 90%. I'm pretty sure that's comparable to other law schools in the time of a pandemic, so I don't think it should be a huge consideration either way.
  7. I think in this particular instance it's because tuition was frozen for so long. So now they're jacking it up to make up for the "lost decade" of what could have been more consistent and steady increases. I agree with you in that small increases every year are definitely the ideal way to go. I think I read somewhere that UBC's tuition increases about 2% every year; I really like that since 2% is about what inflation usually is so in real terms the cost of the law degree stays more-or-less constant.
  8. Honestly, those stats should give you a decent shot at UBC. I haven't checked their forum though; maybe this year the entrance stats have shot up. But usually those stats would be competitive.
  9. Yeah, given the provincial cuts and the lack of a tuition raise since 2010 I really don't see what leg these guys have to stand on. Running a Faculty of Law does cost money and it has to come from somewhere. Obligatory "I'm not affected by this" disclaimer.
  10. Chazz enters the room for his OCI. Interviewers look up and see who it is. They get up and leave without a word. Chazz:
  11. How do you know I didn’t max out logic games and analytical reasoning, and reading comprehension is the only reason I got 166 instead of 180? 😂 In all seriousness, though, I think what fooled me is that I’ve seen that University Magazine ranking before (the 2018 one) and I remembered Windsor was ranked highly (because seriously who ranks Windsor anywhere above dead last I mean c'mon). When I didn’t see Windsor on the list in the document I figured it must have been someone else, and Maclean’s is the only other one I know off the top of my head that does rankings.
  12. In their defence, the magazine they used was Maclean’s, rather than the one in the thread you linked. So instead of relying on some random idiot hack, they’re relying on idiot hacks with a veneer of respectability. EDIT: Oh jeez, nevermind, it is the University Magazine. I have no idea why I thought it was Maclean’s. It’s as bad as you say after all.
  13. I find this very interesting, because I applied to three schools and after doing a bunch of research on them found they were all pretty much equal in calibre. I ended up picking U of A mainly because it was the cheapest option, as I'm not tied to any particular city. It's interesting to think that had I applied a year later I probably would've gone to one of the other two schools (and on that note, I'm glad they're grandfathering it in; my whole rationale would've been screwed otherwise). I do wonder how many people are like me, though. I imagine I wouldn't be the only one that would be discouraged from attending U of A next year by this change given the availability of cheaper options. On the other hand, it was initially going to get a tuition hike in 2015 before the government changed, so it could be argued that this is overdue (indeed, the document states that in real terms tuition is lower today than it was in 2010). In the time that's passed since all the other schools' tuitions have gone up so that it's probably the cheapest law school to attend outside of Quebec (UVic is the exception, but once you take the cost of living in Victoria vs Edmonton into account I don't think it stays that way). After the hike it's going to be fairly middle of the pack by Canadian law school standards, but it will be the most expensive in the West except for TRU (assuming U of C doesn't pull something similar). So yeah, definitely a tradeoff here between attracting students via maintaining/expanding the facilities/faculty/offerings and attracting students via keeping their debt low. Thanks @Ttallent for that interesting document! It's interesting to see the stats for tuition and articling rates (especially the 2020 COVID dip from 97% to 92%). I do feel a little dismay that they're letting Maclean's rankings influence their decision, though, given how little regard they get from the actual lawyers on this site. No, U of A, the average tuition of the "top 5" programs as opposed to all programs shouldn't be playing a role in your decision here. I also find it weird that their whole rationale for raising the tuition is to bring it in line with the average tuition of their three main "competitor" schools, which they say are UBC, Queen's and Western on the basis that all those schools have similar class sizes of around 200. That sounds like unsound reasoning to me. Why does class size determine which schools are competitors? It's clearly geographic proximity; schools' "competitors" are the schools that service the same markets with their students. I can see why UBC is a competitor school (which, incidentally, has the lowest tuition of the three), since there's a sizeable contingent of BC students who come to U of A and then go back to Vancouver, but Queen's and Western seem to be chosen simply to justify raising it all the way to $17k. In reality, U of A's main competitor by far is U of C, since they both service the Calgary market and there's a lot of overlap between students applying to both schools. Other "competitors" would be the other Western law schools, which makes my earlier point about this resulting in U of A having the highest tuition in the West except for TRU somewhat concerning. If the cuts in the provincial government require more money to come from the students to maintain/increase the program quality, just say so. But don't pretend you're raising it to get in line with Queen's and Western, as if they're somehow your "competitors." So yeah, I'm happy they're grandfathering it in. This won't affect me. But if I were applying next year instead, this would result in me choosing another school over U of A, and I doubt I'm the only one. It will still be a good choice for those determined to work in Alberta afterward and will be probably be worth the extra cost in that regard. Apologies if this post is rambling. I was reading the document as I typed the post. Also apologies for any confusion between "Western" as in the law schools in Western Canada and "Western" as in UWO Law.
  14. Put down the $500. Even if you don't end up transferring, the advantage of going to school in the province you want to practice in isn't worth the one year opportunity cost, especially considering there's no guarantee that a) you'll get a job and b) next year will be any less competitive than this one was.
  15. I told you it was gonna be alright, didn't I? 😉 Seriously, though, congratulations!!! See you in September.
  16. I believe tuition was supposed to go up 7%. So imagine we’ll be paying 1.07 times the current rate. Then in 2022 the super increase will get grandfathered in.
  17. As someone who is personally biased toward USask, I think TRU sounds like the better school for you. Like another user commented, some of the extra debt of TRU tuition would be eaten up commuting to BC to network, and the rest is probably worth the advantages of going to school in the province where you want to work.
  18. USask also has a very strong Aboriginal law program. Lots of offerings and required courses in both first and upper years. I hear some of the profs are influential in the field as well, but I can’t attest to that personally.
  19. Yeah, the LSS session in particular kinda turned me off. Especially the bit about being "voluntold" to do the drag show if you're on the hockey or rugby teams. It's great if people want to do that, but it's not good to pressure people into doing things they might not be comfortable with.
  20. I accepted. Mainly because it was the cheapest option. I don't mean to say I don't think U of A will be a good law program. That's the thing: all three of the schools I applied to seemed of equally strong calibre. So I figured I may as well get it for the cheapest price tag and minimize debt. I didn't really have a strong preference for any particular city, since I had personal connections to all three of the cities where the schools I applied to were located, so the "go to school where you want to work" advice didn't apply as much.
  21. Declined tonight in favour of U of A. Honestly, it was simply because the tuition (and cost of living) is cheaper at U of A. I did my undergrad at U of C and enjoyed it, and my research of the law programs I applied to found them all to be pretty much equal in calibre (as were the Zoom events put on by both schools and the ease of dealing with the administration). I don't really have a strong preference for either city, as I have family in both. So U of A being cheaper, combined with the fact that I like the opportunity to get a degree from both of the major schools in Alberta and live in both of the major cities, swayed it in favour of U of A.
  22. Hey guys, Just wanted to let you know that I've declined my offer in favour of one of the Alberta schools, so hopefully that's one extra seat available for you guys. I do feel a little bummed about it. I do feel very attached to Saskatoon; it's where I was born and for awhile there I thought I would be coming back for law school. But in the end it didn't make as much sense for me for both personal and financial reasons. Good luck to all of you who will be part of the U of S Law Class of 2024!
  23. U of C is a perfectly fine choice for keeping your options open (I intend to as well, for the reasons you stated). Like I said, there might be some ultra-niche areas that are't offered, but that's true of any law school. U of C will provide a good selection of pretty much anything you could be interested in outside of the ultra-niche areas. https://law.ucalgary.ca/sites/default/files/Registration Docs/Courses by Area of Concentration-2020.pdf https://www.ucalgary.ca/pubs/calendar/current/law.html You're also right that being in a larger city might provide more opportunities, and the lower tuition at U of C would also give you more flexibility (i.e. you wouldn't feel as pressured to take a job just because it's high paying because you need to pay off your debt).
  24. I’m a 0L, so take this this with a grain of salt, but based on all the research I’ve done (U of C was one of the schools I applied to) the answer to your second question is no. It’s true that some schools have a “focus” in a certain area, both because of the student body and because of the course offerings. U of C probably got its reputation as corporate-focused from the fact that it services Calgary, the second-biggest legal market in the country. Lots of students attend U of C with the end goal of working in Calgary. The school caters to them by offerings lots of courses in energy and environmental law, which is what lots of Calgary firms work in. Hence the reputation of a corporate focus. But unless the type of law you’re interested in is incredibly niche, you’ll be just fine pursuing it at U of C. For example, I am interested in criminal law. When I was comparing U of C and the other Alberta law school, U of A, I went in with the expectation that U of A would be a lot better for crim since it wouldn’t be so corporate focused. But in reality, there’s only one crim-area course U of A offers that U of C doesn’t (Sentencing). Other than that, both schools seem identical both in their course offerings in that area and in the opportunities they provide, such as the legal clinics (SLS at U of A, SLA at U of C). So basic TL;DR: each school has its area of focus, but unless the type of law you want to do instead is incredibly niche then going to the school won’t limit your opportunities. U of C will almost certainly be a great school for you. If any current U of C law students want to verify or correct what I’ve written that’d be great
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