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  1. The classic "I don't have a good response to a rational argument against my bad point". But yeah too many logical flaws that you are too tired to point out. Edit: Kind of reminds me of that anti-masker in that one thread
  2. Just to support this point, UofT Law explicitly says this in their admission policies. “Moreover, we take into account the nature of the program and the undergraduate institution (or institutions) at which an applicant has studied. Specifically, programs and institutions have varying grading practices, which we take into account in our assessment. In general, the Admissions Committee examines each applicant's academic record with a view to meaningful and fair comparisons of undergraduate performance.” https://www.law.utoronto.ca/jd-admissions-policies
  3. A 3.5 is nowhere near low enough to give up studying for the LSAT. Especially if you are considering this person to be very smart and coming from an academically rigorous program.
  4. My point isn’t really concerning as to what reasons UofT performs better, as it could be due to a variety of factors that you mentioned (networking, prestige, student body etc). All I'm saying is that there is empirical data that shows that an average student at UofT will outperform an average student at X school in the 2L recruit. Whether that is attributed to perceived prestige or network, I am not sure of.
  5. I mean I can just counter this argument by saying that I know someone who got into UofT law with an engineering degree from UofT, which by your standards would be one of the hardest programs in the province. Also this is irrelevant to my point. I was saying that you make your undergrad decision with the intention of a backup plan, not just how “easy” it seems for law/Med school. My reply regarding majority was not to you it was to lugubrious. Yeah this was a mistake, I meant the majority within the clusters. 21% vs 18% etc. (As in the most represented program is engineering/math/sciences) I never disagreed with this point. You are attacking an argument that isn’t even there. Of course there are some people who were impacted by their undergraduate decision.
  6. Of course it doesn’t. But there is empirical data that shows that an average UofT student would have an easier time in the 2L recruit compared to an average Windsor student. Does that mean that the average student at UofT is smarter than the average Windsor student? Not necessarily, but it would likely mean that firms think so. Or else how would you explain the data?
  7. This is a weird assumption to make and honestly comes across as salty. Most people I know who are high achievers actually engage in a lot of extracurriculars and internships. I don’t get why there’s this assumption that majority of UofT admits are all people who didn’t do anything but study all summer and chose easy programs, that’s honestly ridiculous. In fact, If you check the 2020 class profile, the majority of those attending are from an engineering/math/science background. https://www.law.utoronto.ca/about/jd-first-year-class-profile (Edit: Majority in a given cluster*, not majority of all students. Ex 21% vs 18%, etc) Also choosing an undergrad based on how easy it is so that you could get into law school is a bad decision. At that stage you are likely not even sure if you want to go to law school. The smart decision is to pick an undergrad that you actually enjoy so that you have a solid backup plan in case you realize that you do not want to be a lawyer.
  8. Yeah I would think this is the case, an average student at UofT would have a higher probability in getting to the interview stage compared to an average student at Windsor. It’s like a filtering process. The only figures I have looked at are from the Ultravires 2L recruit page.
  9. Not 100% sure but I would assume it’s because of the more rigorous admissions standards. An average student at UofT is considered to be academically stronger than an average student at another school with lower admissions standards.
  10. Thanks for the reply, I think I understand your point. You are saying that because every school has relatively the same opportunities in the recruitment process, the explanation of the higher % is likely due to the fact that UofT has the student body that would place better in OCIs and not that the school itself plays a bigger role in that. Yeah that makes sense to me, thanks for the clarification.
  11. Yeah I can see that heavily depending on what that intern got to experience/help work on. Interests can also change for a variety of other factors. That's why I think for these reasons I would weigh cost + location as more important factors than area of practice. But my point was that certain schools have better employment prospects in certain fields, which is still ultimately a factor that should be considered (even if less important than the other two). That's why I wanted clarification on what one of the posters said that school rankings have a negligible impact on employment prospects, as that would depend on your area of interest. For example, for corporate law at Bay St full-service firms, UofT and Osgoode are statistically at the top in terms of recruitment. So if someone is interested in corporate law, they would take that into consideration. Similarly, a lot of posters recommend going to Ottawa if they are interested in working for the government.
  12. I agree with this. I am just saying that employment prospect statistics is still an important consideration, and that the school does play a certain factor depending on which area you want to practice in. I am not saying it should be the only reason you decide to go to a certain law school.
  13. I mean sure I would think this applies to the majority of applicants. But still this depends on the person, there are people who interned at a law firm/have family members in corporate law, and probably have a somewhat informed decision as to what the work entails. I agree with your overall point, but it is still not really something you can account for when you are applying to law school. If anything, you probably should look at what the employment prospects are for the average student (is an average student at X law school more or less likely to get a job in a given field than an average student at Y law school). No one plans that they will be a top 10% student at a school.
  14. Can you elaborate on this point? Assuming that you are interested in corporate law and want to work for a full-service firm, the school you attend does have an impact on your prospects (http://ultravires.ca/2019/12/toronto-summer-2020-2l-recruit-numbers/). I am not saying that UofT is the overall number 1 ranked school with the best education and employment prospects in every field, but it definitely has an impact. I think the point here is that when deciding which law school you choose, prestige alone should not be a deciding factor. Factors such as tuition costs, area of practice/employment opportunities, and location are much more important. I think these personal considerations are more practical than trying to come up with a school ranking system that is hard to determine. Edit: The question you should ask isn't which law school is perceived as a tier 1. You should ask questions such as: 1. Which province do I want to practice in? 2. What practice areas am I interested in? (hard to determine without experience obviously) 3. What will be the total cost for attending X School (include scholarships, cost of living, tuition, etc)?
  15. I agree with this, you do not want to make your PS sound like a resume. What helped me with my personal statement was focusing on one experience and really expanding on how that made me interested in law and how that experience provided me with the skills that will help me succeed in law school. A framework that could be helpful would be answering the questions 1. Why Law? 2. Why me? 3. Why X school in particular? There are a couple of sample personal statements you can read on 7Sage and TopLawSchools, I would recommend checking them out to get an idea on how they are organized. Edit: Also you could speak about your work experience in your personal statement and talk about your mentoring in your optional essay, if you want to include both experiences.
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