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  1. Is there anything that contributed to your earning a low GPA during your undergrad that you could explain away to a holistic school? Any barriers, extraordinary circumstances, hardships, etc? If not, you hardly stand a chance of being admitted.
  2. Thanks very much, I appreciate all of your advice and help.
  3. How many of those lawyers gave honest accounts of what they went through to become lawyers in Canada? PS, I'm conducting this google search right now, and I'm not finding the lawyers you're speaking of.
  4. I think I messed up the quote function in my post above. Hopefully it is clear that the italics are my responses to the bolded writing.
  5. Actually, it is pretty clear that Canadian law schools are exponentially more selective and competitive. This is exactly what foreign law schools advertise to Canadians who wish to look for alternative ways of obtaining a law degree. With a little research, however, you will see that for the majority of Canadians who went abroad, this is not how it all panned out for them. What I mean is that, while some of these Canadians who studied abroad did legitimize their degrees and land jobs as lawyers here, they did not have an easy time doing so. For most of them, it took much longer than one year to complete the NCA exams. Then, those students had to face repeated rejection from various law firms that did not want to hire them for articling positions on the basis that they obtained their degrees abroad. Just look for some Canadians who studied law abroad on Linkedin. You'll see that many of them are working as lawyers, sure. But, you cannot deny that for the majority of them, there is a large gap between when they graduated their programs, and when they landed their first jobs as lawyers (I found that it was common to see 5-6 year gaps at the minimum). Another thing to consider that I've noticed while researching this topic: Most of the foreign-trained Canadian lawyers who get to practice as lawyers today were not only top of their class, but also published articles during their legal education, as well as worked and/or volunteered extensively for firms beyond the typical summer work requirement. These people, despite their impressive achievements and experience, still had a difficult time landing articling positions and getting hired as lawyers. It took them far longer than what foreign law schools promise to Canadians. Pair that with a 100k+ debt and you really see that this is a risky path to take. Which is what really differentiates foreign versus Canadian law schools. Canadian law schools are, as all of the advisors say, looking for the absolute best students that they can find who hold the best promise and potential for succeeding in law school and beyond. Foreign schools, in comparison, are looking for students who are willing to be price gouged. If their focus was to find and train quality students, they would not have their bars set as low as they are. Read what I wrote above and do some research. You will see that there is much to lose if students aren't willing to work hard for years beyond the 3-4 years that foreign law schools promise (and that's IF their hard work pays off, and IF they have the stamina and will to keep going). Now, let me be clear with something here. I am not a law student. But, I intend to submit applications this fall. So, while I cannot claim to be an expert on any of this, I have certainly done my research, both inside and outside of this forum, and I have to say that the foreign route is not as promising or as easy as you're making it out to be. Can I lie and say that I haven't been tempted to consider the foreign route if Canadian schools reject me? Of course the thought has crossed my mind. But, in having read extensively on the reality of studying law abroad and later returning to 1) challenge the NCA exams, 2) validate my degree, 3) obtain an articling position, and 4) convince employers that I am just as worthy of a candidate as are the Canadian ones in the overly-saturated market of Canadian grads (who were hand-selected as possessing the most potential to succeed, unlike foreign-trained Canadians), I have understood that this path is not an attractive option when you look beyond the face value and emotional appeals of the advertising that comes from these foreign schools. So please, for the sake of those who have not done their research yet, and for the sake of those who are at risk of being lured in by the promises these foreign schools are making, stop glamorizing the foreign route. If you must suggest going abroad to people who are looking for an alternative way to become a lawyer, then at least do your part to inform them on the cons and challenges of this route. This is part what good lawyers are supposed to do, yes? Inform people on the best course of action available and not lead them astray.
  6. Have you done your research and looked at all of the Canadian law school websites yet? Doing so will give you an indication of how each school assess your academic record. That is, they will usually indicate if they are the type of school to eliminate a certain number of credits, look at your best three years, your last two years, etc. To help you with your question regarding your course load during your undergrad, maybe you will find this thread useful: https://lawstudents.ca/forums/topic/63338-undergrad-course-load-problematic/ The link above will take you to a thread that I posted in May where I asked similar questions about course load. The people who responded were very helpful, so perhaps it will be of help to you too.
  7. You're right, the OLSAS conversion is a little bit of a downer. It changed my L2 to a 3.76 and my B3 to a 3.78. Ah well, it's good to have an indication of what that looks like. It just means that I need to do what I can to score high on the LSAT.
  8. This is very informative, thank you. Out of curiosity, did you have to submit any supporting documentation to demonstrate that you worked long hours during your undergrad? If so, what sort of documentation did you provide? I'm under the assumption that simply mentioning that one worked certain hours while studying doesn't suffice. Do you think a letter from a manager who can validate my work schedule is enough? My pay statements from previous years are not readily accessible to me, but I'm sure I could ask my work to search for them in the system if they are what law schools want to see.
  9. It depends on what OP is looking for. I'm under the assumption that he is uninterested in pursuing a Canadian undergraduate/graduate-level education at this point, so a certificate in his choice of study may be a viable option, provided that additional education of some sort is even on the table. Otherwise, I wish OP the best of luck and hope something eventually comes along.
  10. You can apply for a job as a Court Clerk for either your provincial or Federal government. I do not know what the requirements are in other provinces, but to get a job as a Court Clerk in BC you only need a high school diploma (other jobs of this type may ask for other qualifications, but the one I applied to didn't). I'm sure your foreign degree would not hinder you in this regard, but don't quote me on it (I don't see why it would considering it isn't a legal assistant or lawyer occupation). While your credentials have paved a difficult road for you to take, I would not lose hope. There are people with foreign degrees who have made it work for them. Perhaps consider getting a Canadian college-level certificate to pair with it for some added leverage.
  11. I do not think it is necessary. However, I found it helpful for me to have one because it gave me an indication of how hard I need to study in order to achieve my goal. It can also be helpful in the sense that it motivates you with a sense of urgency to make improvements. It also feels good to be able to make a comparison to see how much you have improved overall because improvement on the LSAT is a difficult feat, but an attainable one with practice nonetheless.
  12. Like others in this thread are saying, the best time to take the LSAT is during a time of which you feel most prepared and feel as though you have prepared enough. From what I understand, the time of the year does not bear any significance on the difficulty of the LSAT. However, I would advise that you aim to write the earliest exam that you feel you can prepare yourself for. The reason I suggest this is because if you do not perform well on the first test, you can rest assured knowing that you have left yourself enough time in the cycle to write the test again at a later date while still standing a good chance of submitting an application early. For example, if you are aiming to gain admission into the September 2021 cycle, I would not advise writing a December or January LSAT unless it is absolutely necessary because your score will not be sent to law schools until late in the cycle (which is unfavourable because that is when the number of applications being received is at its heaviest). So, it might put you at a disadvantage unless your stats are compelling. Whichever date you choose, I wish you luck
  13. That's fantastic. It gives me some hope for sure. If you don't mind my asking, what were your stats? Also, did you apply in the regular categories or in special considerations?
  14. Hello everyone, I have a question which concerns how different law schools might assess a law applicant's course load. Particularly, I'm concerned with whether or not schools would outright reject an application on the basis that the student did not take 5 courses per semester (I am also taking into consideration that different schools will assess this differently). In my situation, I often took three courses per semester (fewer in the summer). The reason I took a lighter course load in some of my semesters was due to the fact that I lived alone and had to work a certain number of hours each week to earn enough money to cover my living expenses. At the same time, I was also volunteering. With the way this worked out, I virtually had zero days off during the week between work, school, and volunteering. In the rare event that I did happen to have a day off, I always spent it studying (I will add that I achieved mostly A- and A grades, as well as a few A+ grades). However, in my last two semesters of my undergrad (minus the summer semester), I took four courses at a time, all while working and volunteering. In those semesters of which I took four courses each, my grades were fantastic. Can anyone provide some insight as to whether or not my situation would prove troublesome for gaining admittance into law school? Also, are there any users in this forum who have been admitted to law school having studied on a part-time basis during their undergrad? For a bit of extra information, I will add that my L2 is roughly 3.86/4.33 (self-calculated). I am also planning to write the LSAT in August. Schools I am most interested in applying to: UVIC, TRU, UofA, Calgary, Dalhouse. I appreciate the help and feedback.
  15. Question! For those of you who were waitlisted into the program, when did you submit/have your applications completed by? Did anyone apply early in the cycle, or do you suppose later applications factored into being waitlisted for many of you?
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