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  1. I assume each firm will be different, but I will offer the perspective of my firm, a boutique that serves corporate clients only; i.e., no retail clients (this may be a very relevant distinction in context of your question). I was recently privileged to sit in on student selection committee and noticed that a student 's legislative research experience was assigned weight that was head and shoulders greater than weight assigned other students' clinic experience, because it was assumed that the former would have decent legal research skills.
  2. $160 is simply a mathematical placeholder, for the user of the formula to replace with their own rate.
  3. Hi - Below is the formula used in our firm (boutique practice in Metro Vancouver) to arrive at a ballpark annual salary. By no means am I suggesting that this is the standard formula across the industry. However, I know this formula has been spoken of on this forum before so its not rare/novel either. Even if this formula is not used in your firm, it should give you a good ballpark. To use the formula, you will need to know two pieces of information (the info should be in your offer, if not ask your partners): 1) What will be your initial billing rate - I am assuming $160 2) What is your billing target - I am assuming 1600 hours Your ballpark salary : 1600 hours x $160 x 0.33 = $84,480 The 0.33 is based on a 1/3 arrangement. 1/3 of your total billings is your salary, 1/3 goes to overhead, remainder 1/3 to partners. This ratio may vary by firm.
  4. In my opinion, whatever factors acted against you getting a position in the first round will be exacerbated in the second round, as employers will note that you sat out a year. So you should make a decision based on the assumption that your chances will be lower next year. Basically, consider what @TrialPrep said.
  5. It is perfectly reasonable to either (1) ask Toronto if they are open to discussing terms earlier, or (2) ask Victoria if they can give you till end of next week. The worst is they will say no. My general sense is that, since this is not articling season, they will be flexible, but particular circumstances can vary.
  6. As is the nature of this forum, everyone and their half brother wants to question and comment on the OP's motives rather than offer an answer to the explicit question asked by OP. *My own comment is Exhibit A to said tendency!*
  7. I am only a 1 year call but can offer the following based on what I have received negative feedback (explicit or implicit) for from senior lawyers. It reflects what others have said above, but with concrete examples: 1. "Before you come back to me with questions, please make sure you have exhausted all reasonable research resources at your disposal." 2. "Work won't walk in your door as a new associate, reach out to lawyers to introduce yourself and that you are interested in getting their work. So what if its on zoom, call them." 3. "When you send me a draft opinion to review, I don't want to correct your typos and drafting errors. Even if you used a precedent which had those errors, you need to catch all that before you send it to me." I have more, but enough self-flagellation for the day lol
  8. PLTC material is already super-condensed and is designed specifically for exam takers. As @TrialPrep asked, why would you look elsewhere?
  9. I got my articling position through cold emailing. I never called anyone, it was strictly email-only. I was in a management position in my pre-legal career and I never appreciated or had time for cold callers, and I applied my own experience forward. I am not saying this is as a general proposition, but this is what I did and it worked for me. I never attempted to meet any lawyers before "to learn more about the firm". Honestly, I think that concept is a little redundant in today's world when you can mine more information form your desk than over lunch with a lawyer. What I would do is thoroughly review the website and other resources (e.g., have key lawyers been speaking or publishing on certain subjects?, look up decisions that key lawyers have argued, look up glassdoor). Then, I would try to customize my resume and my cover email to make sure I draw a direct connection between what I can offer and what that firm does. Good luck.
  10. #1 and #2 have frequently been discussed on the forum and in those posts you will find links to tables that folks here have created/updated. Once you look at those tables, your #3 (the second #3 lol, as you have two) would also be answered.
  11. Great idea OP. May not be the newest idea on the block, but in an industry dominated by old ideas and old postures (uhh see thread above), anything like this is refreshing. I do hope the response you get here does not surprise you or discourage you. Obviously, when you walk into a lion's den and ask 'hey do we really need lions in this forest?', you are not going to get out of the den alive, but know the rest of the forest agrees with you.
  12. Sorry, no. The point of time in the history of civilization when humans helped each other Google stuff passed about 15 years ago.
  13. No experience with Iridium but do have a pre-law background in accounting and billing and I can confirm that each term you stated in your question is a standard (or somewhat standard) accounting term. The meanings of the terms transcends Iridium or the legal industry for that matter. I just googled a couple of the terms, and could see there is a lot of explanatory material out there, some from legal timekeeping sources such as PCLaw, but mostly from general accounting sources.
  14. "Can't stand federalism"...made me chuckle, for real. Consider practicing in China lol...the CCP issues edicts and everyone follows, those who squabble about jurisdiction are sent to the gulags. Jokes aside, difficult to think of environmental issues that do not involve federalism. My firm helps small businesses getting permits from municipalities, and even at that level, we are quick to point out that certain environment permits are outside the municipality's jurisdiction because, uh, federalism! In other words, federalism is actively practiced even at the level of environmental issues of small towns, and it gets intensified if your work related to the environment deals with provinces or the feds.
  15. I have nothing substantive to offer but I will say this: Notwithstanding criticism from others, I really appreciate your thoughtfulness and initiative in asking these questions. When I look back at my law school career, I can tell you that those who had questions like these buzzing in their heads on day one were more motivated and successful in school. You are 0L...if you aren't the one asking stupid and ill-informed questions, who will? Thank you for considering a career in criminal defense and for being bold enough to ask your questions.
  16. Like @Malicious Prosecutor said, its not normal but its not abnormal.
  17. Thanks everyone for responding with your vote and other suggestions 🥰 I am going with the suggestion that got the most vote. I wouldn't have imagined there is so much pent-up frustration among the community about the absurdity of being asked to comment on an uneditable document...happy I am not the only one!
  18. I was repeatedly told that I was not expected to meet any targets but my common sense told me that when its hireback time, a good billable rate will look good. Accordingly, I maintained a billability of between 70%-80%. I was hired back, but can't say how much my billability was a consideration.
  19. 2 years? No. Not sure where you got that impression (sorry if I caused it inadvertently), but literally no firm will hire articles any earlier than 1 year before. In BC, articles are hired in the July-August timeframe, to start next summer (after graduation). Yes, most but not all big firms uses viportal. Summering with a firm will def increase your chances of being hired as an article, but is not necessary. Yes, they would likely not waste their time on speculative applications.
  20. I started articling with a fellow articling student who struggled on a day to day basis with articling. To me and other students, that fact was amply clear, but I am not sure how much of that they shared with the principal. Anyway, they ended up getting hired back, but departed 3 months after it became very clear that the firm and this person were not a good fit. My point is, early disclosure of personal troubles could change the trajectory of your early career for the better. But I wouldnt advise you to idealistically "be completely honest." I would put the things you want to say into three bins: 1) MUST share - Your personal struggles and personal inconveniences 2) MAY share - Your comments about things that affect articling students in general. 3) DO NOT share - Your thoughts about general betterment of the firm. While your principal may appreciate it, generally speaking it is not your place to speak to that. Good luck.
  21. I have not attended an LLM but the impression I get is that LLM programs (not only Osgoode, but anywhere else too) are primarily a vehicle for foreign grads to get mainstreamed. Is that accurate? (the source of my impression is my peer group of LLM grads during NCA and PLTC, so I may be way off)
  22. Only answering #3 since the other questions are specific to the Toronto market or Ontario's system (I am in Vancouver). Can you explain what you mean by "And then after I finish the LLM I would have completed the NCA requirements and can commence articling?" You also said you are applying for NCA assessment...if so, then you meet NCA requirements as soon as you get a certificate from NCA. You don't need to do your LLM necessarily to meet your NCA requirement. In any event, I think your timeline may be backward. If you are doing your LLM, you want to apply for articles WHILE you are in your LLM program. That way, you have a better chance of getting a call back since from the employer's point of view you are a Canadian law student, not a foreign law student.
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