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  1. A 3.3 L2/B2 is not ideal, but a 3.3 cGPA is not out of the ordinary for a lot of Ontario applicants. Queen's does lower their "competitive" B2 GPA and LSAT scores for access applicants to 3.3 and 154 respectively; so, you might be competitive for access from a stats perspective. Although the goal posts are adjusted, the competitiveness of a given access pool might render the average access scores just as high as those admitted in the general category. I would focus on getting a great LSAT score 164+; I think that would make you a competitive splitter candidate for most Ontario law schools (unsure about U of T or Oz). Even if you don't, you have those altered goal posts to fall back on, which, if you are considered under access, could render you decently competitive (depending on others applying in the same pool). In that event, I think your engineering background would help. This is only speculation, but the difference between your engineering and commerce grades might also indicate to ad-coms that a 3.3 engineering GPA is not damning by any means. Best of luck.
  2. Does that number hold firm over your last/best two years, or is there some variation? Work experience and extracurriculars are highly subjective, so I won't get into them much. But if you finish an MPP that could work strongly in your favour as a soft component of your application. You should also know that an access claim doesn't necessarily make you more competitive; all it means is ad-coms go over more factors when assessing your application. At Queen's, for example, an access claim may lead admissions to put less weight on your GPA and LSAT score and more emphasis on your personal experiences. It would be difficult for anyone here to assess your chances as an access applicant, since such an evaluation is dependent on highly specific and subjective criteria.
  3. I don't doubt most successful applicants to U of T law with engineering degrees had strong undergraduate grades. I'm not suggesting OP will be competitive for U of T Law, or any other program for that matter. After all, we do not know their OLSAS GPA calculations nor their LSAT score. Rather, I am suggesting that we not downplay OP's GPA in light of these unknown factors and in light of the fact that it is safe to assume OP's undergraduate degree was quite strenuous. I used U of T's admissions criteria to show that sometimes ad-coms consider the nature of an applicant's undergraduate program--which furthers the argument that OP's GPA might not "reflect poorly."
  4. A B+ cGPA is not subpar or mediocre on its face--even within the context of applying to law school. More information is needed about OP's c/B3/B2/L2 on an OLSAS scale; whether they were studying full-time or part-time; the level of study; and what the general trend of their grades were before any real judgement can be made on this front. It depends what you mean by "favours." U of T, for example, considers the "nature of the [applicant's] program" and the undergraduate institution(s) where the applicant has studied. Safely assuming that engineering degrees are generally quite strenuous, OP's B+ average therefore might not "reflect poorly" from this standpoint.
  5. The person who knows you best. Admissions committees don't care how well known or respected the reference is if they can barely attest to your abilities.
  6. Grateful to have been offered admission yesterday; will be accepting. PM me for 1L stats if interested. Should also add that I wrote the optional essay.
  7. To echo @Tagger, get used to the fact that administrative decisions will not be made to accommodate solely those in your unique position. There are other stakeholders that will be harmed if Osgoode adopts your proposed adjustments; they are entitled to prioritize those interests (and rightfully so) over yours. I wouldn't want to see a school renowned for its thorough and holistic admissions procedures tighten deadlines to accommodate borderline-competitive applicants. At this juncture you have received two clear decisions, it is up to you to decide whether to "gamble" with your offer of admission or to accept it and move on.
  8. You are not being disadvantaged for having been admitted to another school. You would be taken off the waitlist because you have firmly accepted an offer from another school as of July 1st; this signals to Osgoode that you no longer plan on attending their school. You could just as well ignore or reject the offer provided by the other school and hold out for Osgoode. This is in no way, shape, or form "unfair." Take a breath and focus on something else.
  9. I will take the liberty to compare the Western admissions page you have linked, since Western and Queen's are by all accounts similar schools when it comes to admissions criteria (the same is not true for Queen's and McGill). The application process for Queen's via OLSAS requires that students submit a personal statement, an autobiographical sketch, and two reference letters in addition to their GPA and LSAT scores. From this, we can estimate that it would be those components of the application that would be considered when differentiating two candidates with similar LSAT scores and GPAs. The only discernible difference between the Queen's admissions page and Western's is Western states the obvious by spelling this out and adding that a full course load, research and writing experience, and graduate studies are positive factors (as I imagine they would be for most schools). As such, if we were speaking about OP's hypothetical admission to Western, we would be in a similarly uninformed position with regard to speculating which holistic aspect of their application would have been most coveted. Queen's has no less information via-à-vis holistic criteria than Western. If you read my initial post carefully, you will see I never said you will not be admitted: You have good stats; you may yet be admitted. You and many others on this website should, however, re-evaluate their attitude toward the process. I was speaking of averages--which we will not know until the fall. Plenty of admitted candidates do not post their stats on this website. Averages notwithstanding, this attitude is prevalent on this website and it smacks of entitlement. One is in no position to assume that their higher stats entitle them to an offer; we have no idea what set apart the applications with lower stats from the others--this is the case with every school with a holistic element. Remember, this is a process often characterized by fine margins; Queen's seems to use holistic factors to widen these margins. This does not put one on firm grounds to speculate that a highly idiosyncratic and competitive admissions process is "random" or "disorganized." Queen's Law has been producing excellent lawyers and academics for over 50 years, they would not be able to do so with a "random" admissions process. My advice: take a step back, do something nice for yourself, and be patient. I wish you the best. Hope is not yet lost!
  10. While your LSAT is above average when compared to those admitted to Queen's last year, your B2 falls below what Queen's considers competitive for general applicants per their website. Last year, the average B2 for admitted applicants was 3.76. You also need to factor in whether this year's successful applicants have higher LSAT scores on average than last year's admitted candidates. You can glean the accepted thread for a general idea, but we won't know for sure until the class of 2023's admissions statistics are released in the fall. Additionally, Queen's considers a host of factors beyond LSAT and GPA, but it is impossible to know for sure (it wouldn't be for any school) what it values most when it comes to such subjective criteria. I feel Queen's has provided enough information for you to understand why you haven't been admitted yet. For the record, if I were you, I wouldn't count out being admitted later / off the waitlist. I can't speak for other schools. As echoed in this thread, Queen's emphasizes LSAT and GPA for the general category. However, they use their "other Admissions Philosophy criteria" to differentiate between applicants who are similarly situated when it comes to their LSAT and GPA. From this, we can only conclude that there are holistic aspects of Queen's general admissions category. All things considered, Canadian law schools are idiosyncratic and fickle when it comes to admissions -- because of this, it is hard to predict whether borderline competitive applicants will be successful when applying to any given school. Something could have stood out for you, and it is impossible to guess what it was. Keep in mind, your LSAT was at the minimum and your GPA was well above what Queen's considers competitive. Congrats!
  11. I have just completed my first year of law school after entering out of third year. Of course, it is a perfectly good path for some, but it comes with a number of disadvantages if you are not a mature student. I would not recommend rushing into a rigorous professional program for the reasons OP has mentioned (not liking Ottawa). It seems as if a transfer to another school to complete their undergrad would better serve OP's purposes than upping the ante and jumping into a J.D./L.L.B. program. Make no mistake, I am confident OP will achieve admission to a "good" law school (read: a Canadian law school) if they keep their grades up in third year; I just think it is important to explore why OP wishes to attend and why OP cannot stand Ottawa. Even if OP is "dead set" on attending law school, they will be sacrificing a critical year of professional and academic development, and, as mentioned, may be at a disadvantage without an undergrad degree if they determine law school was not the right choice. This means OP may still be at a disadvantage when it comes to maturity, life experience, etc. OP, please give this a lot of thought, and understand that law school will require a greater level of effort than your undergrad before you make this decision. I think it is also important to consider why you cannot fathom another year in Ottawa. Are you not challenged in your undergrad? Do you not have a support system (i.e. friends and family)? Do you associate Ottawa with the stress of school? Do you not like your peers? Consider whether the reason you cannot stand Ottawa will present itself again in the city or town your law school will be located. Doing well in a professional program will be much more difficult if this environmental stressor follows you out of Ottawa. Another important question to ask is whether you have connections (i.e. social support) in the cities where you desire to attend law school (Edmonton, Vancouver, or Montreal). PM me if you want more insight into my situation; I would be happy to provide more detail and advice. Best of luck. McGill: from their website, it does not seem as though McGill has a preference for Fall/Winter/Summer courses. They provide instruction on their view of P/F or S/U grades for Winter and Summer 2020 courses in light of COVID-19; so it seems they consider both. It should be noted the McGill expresses a strong preference for applicants who have completed their undergraduate degree prior to entry (in my experience, this typically means an honours degree). Maybe someone here with more experience from McGill can give you more insight as to what is required of a successful candidate without a degree. Alberta: their admissions policy expresses a preference for courses completed during "full-time" study, which may result in less consideration being given to summer courses. UBC: their website does not denote "full-time" study, and, if @meandtheboys is right and UBC does just look at cGPA, then I would presume summer courses would just be factored into this.
  12. There are entrance scholarships that you will be automatically considered for when you apply; at least that was my experience last year. I can't speak to any 1L scholarships that you apply for though--I'm unsure if there are any. Edit: to be clear, this is regarding Queen's. I can't speak to Dal or any other law school.
  13. I included experience from the summer after high school in my sketch and everything turned out fine. If you have no other pertinent experience to put in that space, I would say go for it. Best of luck!
  14. I applied to law school when I was in my third year of university for the latest admissions cycle (2019). I got into Queen's, was waitlisted at U of T, and I didn't wait long enough to hear back from Western. This means I'll be going into 1L without an undergraduate degree. @astrath and @wtamow are right, you need either a standout GPA or a standout LSAT score (if not both) to pull this off. It can definitely be done though, so if you're determined and confident I urge you to go for it! 😊 Feel free to DM me if you want more information about my experience or if you want any advice about the process.
  15. Grades are important, but they aren't the be all end all. Think about what it is that went wrong for you this year (be it a personal matter or simply transitioning into a new academic environment) and frame it as a difficult period you had the tenacity to overcome rather than a personal failure. This could come in handy as a focal point of a personal statement or a supplementary essay when you apply to law school. Also, don't look at what other people are doing (GPA or LSAT scores when it comes to that), and use the energy you would otherwise spend doing this on improving yourself--I can't stress this point enough. Lastly, if you're able to, contact any professors/TAs you had this year and see if they're still willing to provide any feedback or advice about any work you submitted. If not, look back at it yourself (i.e. reread some essays you wrote) and see if you can improve them. In doing so, try to keep in mind some common mistakes you make--constructive self-criticism is an invaluable skill. In the future, if you get a grade you're not happy with, it never hurts to attend office hours and talk about it with your instructor and figure out how to improve moving forward. Beyond this, however, my advice would be to simply move forward and treat the upcoming academic year as a much needed, and deserved, fresh start. Good luck!
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