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  1. I can't say for most - but the average student debt hovers anywhere between 16-26k for undergrad degrees. So, there are KJD who took OSAP during their undergrad who are looking at tacking on a considerable amount of debt on top of an already large figure. https://globalnews.ca/news/4222534/canadian-student-loans-government-interest/ https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/as-student-debt-climbs-to-an-average-past-25k-schools-invest-in-battling-the-mental-health-issues-it-causes https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/university-student-debt-photo-essay-1.4305589 https://www.ontario.ca/data/average-osap-debt
  2. You've just finished first year. Work hard and get your grades up and keep them up for the next 3-4 years. It's too early to feel this hopeless already!
  3. A few things regarding Western. First of all, Ivey AEO is NOT a program. AEO stands for Advanced Entry Option. What this mean, is that at the end of your second year - after pursuing a separate degree of your choice - you have an improved chance of being accepted into the HBA program at Ivey. Essentially, for the first two years of your undergrad, you study whatever you want. Many people do bmos, political science, and even general science. What I generally hear is two things about your first degree; 1) study something that you are interested in, or 2) study something that offers a return on your investment (grad school chances, employability, etc.) in the off-chance that you are not accepted into the HBA program. For these two years, you are required to maintain an 80 average, I believe, and any failure to do so will see your AEO revoked. If you successfully maintain that average as well as diverse ECS, your 80 will be more competitive than a non-AEO's 83. Essentially, AEO just lowers the admissions standards and puts your application at the top of the stack for the HBA program. The HBA program is two years long, allowing you to finish in four years (or five if you would like to complete your original degree as well). It ranks extremely high in Canada (and the world I believe) and is a very sought after degree. What is VERY great about the HBA program is that after HBA1, you can apply to Western Law for a Joint HBA/JD. Again, just like having AEO, admission standards are much more relaxed. Since HBA is naturally curved to an 80 (which is about the requirement for the HBA/JD program) so all you really need to do is not flunk out and score well on your LSAT. More information can be found on the official webpage. So, if you really want two powerful degrees which are comparable to an MBA/JD I would say go for it. Otherwise, the HBA program is great on its own. What I will warn you is that although this may be very straight forward - do well in your first two years, enter HBA1 after your second year, apply for HBA/JD after HBA1 and receive an HBA and a JD at the end of your time - it is extremely costly. So you have to factor that in and figure out what you truly want. I did 4 years of an undergrad and will be attending law school. My buddy did 2 years of an undergrad and is now in the joint HBA program. He is spending worlds more money than I am but it suits his interests and law was sort of an after-thought for him. I think in the end you will spend 6 years? 2 for your BA, 2 for HBA and 3 for JD (your first year of law begins after HBA1 and then you resume HBA2 and 2L at the same time). So, my last thing to say is - what do you want to get out of your undergrad? Is it a stepping stone or is it something to possibly be a stand-alone degree? Source: I attended Western and have many friends in the HBA and HBA/JD program. ~ all of this is just to keep you informed because a lot of people enter the AEO stream thinking they are already in Ivey ~
  4. I don't see the point of completing it if you have been accepted. Take the three year degree and go to law school early. A degree is a degree at the end of the day!
  5. Hm. I'm curious to know, but why are Bay St. numbers the basis for which Ontario schools are rated? I'm not denying the fact that the two Toronto schools hire a significant number of students when compared to other schools, but I would be inclined to know the overall hiring rate. As was said earlier, not everyone cares for Bay St. But it seems that people on this website view it as the only way to measure the value of a school. Now, recognizing that Bay St. hires are not the only way to measure the quality of a school, what is your opinion on the stigma - per the original question? Are there any other reasons that create the stigma?
  6. Here is the All Years group. I don't believe that the class of 2022 page has been created yet.
  7. After searching on Google, I don't think so. According to the 2018-2019 course descriptions/evaluations, Conklin (assuming William E. Conklin is listed as Bill Conklin) only teaches two courses and neither are taught in first-year. This is what the people of Rate my Professor had to say about him - mind you they are a bit outdated.
  8. While at the Meet & Greet and subsequent conversations with alumni who have reached out to me after accepting my offer, I have come to understand that the only people who truly recognize this stigma are 1. applicants and 0Ls, 2. non-law folk, 3. people in this forum. I'm under the strong belief, as many others are, that a Canadian law school is a Canadian law school (with special regards to Ontario). This stigma seems to have arisen from nature of having a truly holistic admissions process, a weak focus (relative to other Ontario schools) on BigLaw placements, youth, and location. However, a quick search on LinkedIn (or a more complicated and lengthy search on firm pages) will show you that Windsor grads (yes even dual students) have ended up in all the places that students from more 'prestigious' schools have ended up. From what I understand, people in law school and actual lawyers don't typically have such strong opinions on the status of Canadian schools aside from small banter. But of course, I am biased as I have always viewed Windsor as my top choice and will be attending this fall.
  9. A quick Google search led me the Windsor Law webpage. Quoted below are the first-year courses, which from my current (albeit novice) understanding is that they are standard across all Ontario law schools, with the exception of a few. As for actual timing of courses and what a 1L schedule would look like, I am interested in what current or previous students have to say!
  10. I'm finding every possible way to procrastinate instead of study for my finals so I thought I might as well spark a fun discussion. What did you find were or are the best things about law school? What did you find were or are the worst things about law school? I'm a 0L and would love to hear the different perspectives that everyone has! Be brutally honest and let's have some fun!
  11. If you are considering Windsor, which one would you accept?
  12. I did not. I reached out to Ottawa and Western and both schools told me that offers/acceptances to Masters programs (regardless of school) have no bearing on the law school admissions process. I believe it also applies to Windsor. I hope that helps.
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