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  1. Personally, as a student, I found my motivation was seriously decreased, and my work quality decreased as a result. There's an entire thread on this in the law student sub-section of the forum, you may find that reading through that thread will provide you with some thorough discussion on a student's perspective of your question. Edit: here's a link
  2. I would avoid working 1L unless it is absolutely financially necessary. You'll want the freedom to join clubs, socialize, study, read, whatever. In 2L/3L it's much more reasonable. As someone that worked most of 2L part time (lockdowns aside), it was a welcome change of pace from zoom school.
  3. This really comes down to personal preference. I will do 3L online if it’s an option. I would not recommend doing 1L online. As others have said, 1L is a great chance to make good group of friends that you’ll have all through law school, and well into your professional life, if not forever. It’s your chance to ask short questions to prof after class or during breaks. It helps build a sense of community that is, I think, underrated by incoming or prospective law students. I share all your same concerns re: rent/expenses/etc, and that’s what will ultimately lead me to do 3L online if it’s an option. But 1L really is best done in person.
  4. If you had relatively competitive stats, while working during the summers and also during the school year, I think that would give you an edge on someone else with comparable stats but no work experience. Working and doing well in your undergrad is not something everyone can do. At the very least, I wouldn’t make the leap that just because you think your work experience was insignificant meant the adcom who accepted you felt the same way. OP, I encourage you to focus on your grades, not your LSAT. It is much harder, from a financial and a practical perspective, to go back and improve your grades than it is to increase your LSAT (generally speaking). If you can crush the next two years, you’ll have much better chances at L2 schools while also bringing your GPA up.
  5. While I don't intend to turn this thread into a debate about the merits of ECs, I will say that I firmly believe my ECs made a significant difference in my application -- if not in my acceptance to multiple schools, then the relatively early nature of those acceptances. I think it is somewhat dangerous to suggest to applicants that EC's "don't really matter", because they do (otherwise schools wouldn't ask), particularly in the case of applicants with weaker stats. OP, find an EC/job you're interested in, and consider pursuing it. Don't do it to pad your application, do it because you want to. Your application will improve as a result, and your personal statement will, ideally, write itself. But don't do anything just for your law school applications, because in a year or two, you may not even be interested in applying.
  6. Don't bet on that LSAT until you take it and get a real score. People routinely score outside of their expectations, and 160-165 is a large range anyway. Big difference between a 160 and a 165. Even with a 165, though, a 3.3/165 doesn't strike me as significantly compelling in comparison to someone with a 3.7/160 and ECs to round out the application. Ultimately, your money is your own and you can spend it however you like but I would caution you against a "trial year" of applying. What purpose does that serve? You're gonna spend what, $200 to apply and an additional $100 per school (from my memory)...for what? Edit: I see the original reply in response to me has been edited to add that you have no experience after high school. Not even summer job experience? You've also mentioned you're going into third year. I cannot emphasize this enough: people who get into law school in their third year are generally exceptional. For most, I wouldn't recommend it anyway -- I think you're almost always better off actually finishing your degree. But this means that instead of taking this year as a "trial year", you can spend this year finding part time work or engaging in ECs to round out your application for next year. Be careful not to do so at the cost of your grades, though.
  7. Do you have volunteer experience? Work experience? How do you spend your time when not focusing on school? Surely there's something in those answers that is productive enough to form part of your application. Alternatively, do you have really great stats? At that point, ECs may matter less anyway.
  8. If you were accepted this cycle, I would encourage you to seek a deferral. Once you pay that 1L tuition, the sunk costs are going to hit you hard, and if you're not really into it, you may be setting yourself up for misery -- now and in the long term. As the other posters have said, your questions are deeply personal and I don't think I can provide any meaningful advice in trying to answer them. But I think that in time, you will answer them for yourself, so I would encourage you to take that time.
  9. Apply this fall, if your only hesitation comes from the potential dependency on your final year of grades. Schools won't see your application until mid-November at the earliest. It's possible they won't even see your application until after you've received, and submitted, your first semester grades. While some acceptances may go out in December, rejections don't, so you're still in the running at that point, even if they set aside your application and wait for more grades (either informally when waiting for 1st semester grades, or with a deferred decision later in the cycle while waiting for end of year grades). Applying in the fall, when you don't have any fourth year grades yet, won't decrease your chances of an acceptance. However, it may decrease your chances of getting an acceptance early. That said, an acceptance in February, or even May, beats an acceptance the following December. Apply, do as well as you can first semester to "stay in the fight", and then finish strong in your final semester.
  10. Your transcript grades will show as letters. Assignments that get added to individual course gradebooks will be probably raw scores (75/100, for example) which you can then convert to percentages, but this may/may not take into account the curve, depending on the prof.
  11. On OLSAS, do you not have the option to provisionally accept? Don't quote me on the dates but my understanding was that provisional acceptances won't turn firm until July 1 (although you may have to commit a $500 to Queens earlier than that). Double check the dates to be sure but if you provisionally accept on OLSAS, that should give you enough time to hear back from the other two schools. To answer your question more directly, I don't think I've ever seen anyone here discuss, let alone actually receive, an extension deadline. While Queens may be willing to accommodate you, it's also possible that they would simply pass your offer to the next student in line once the 19th passes.
  12. You can expect it to be anywhere between same day to a couple days later. The 13th is a Thursday, so if I had to guess, grades will probably be out by that weekend.
  13. The email today about the articling recruit said that the grades meeting is May 13, so the OWL calendar may be incorrect.
  14. Unfortunately I'm not sure firsthand, but I suspect that any schools that regularly send out deferrals probably have "deferred decision" threads so you may be able to identify at least some of them by checking through individual school sections of the forum! Hope that helps!
  15. Echoing what's been said so far. I did Oxford Seminars and it was borderline a waste of time. If you've never looked at an LSAT or are scoring in the 140s, you might find it helpful to take a course if you particularly enjoy/need a "classroom" environment. If you can score 150+ on a prep test, you know more than a prep course is equipped to teach you, from my experience. For many people, a prep course is an introduction to the LSAT. Prep courses are aimed at that level of understanding, and they're not anywhere near flexible enough to accommodate those who are beyond that stage of preparation. On the issue of Princeton Review's guarantee, is it a "take the course a second time at no charge if you need to" guarantee? Because that's like sitting through grade 3 for a second time when you're already in grade 4 as if it'll help you write a math test in grade 5. Oxford Seminars had that kind of "guarantee" and I'd be hard pressed to think of something less helpful.
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