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whereverjustice last won the day on May 21 2018

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  1. If you've got an $80K job right now in Ottawa, would you really better off moving to Northern Ontario so your husband can earn, say, $90K? If the GTA is out of the question I think your best bet is to stay in the province's second-largest city and have your husband keep looking, and also consider law-adjacent roles.
  2. @Malicious Prosecutor, when you say you briefly adjourn the trial in order to ask the person to leave, do you tell the judge that's your intent? If so then it seems to me that the objection that "this should be a matter for the judge" is sort of a moot point. Asking someone to leave is not "closing the trial to the public" unless it is suggested that the public has no choice in the matter. And if the proposed alternative is "ask the judge to order the person to leave", that seems far more egregious than a polite request! When I was a prosecutor (on cases significantly less charged than MP's) I 100% saw it as part of my job to minimize the discomfort of witnesses to the extent possible within the context of the proceedings. My intent was for all participants in the proceeding including the accused to feel that they had been treated fairly and without unnecessary harm to their dignity or disruption to their lives. I saw this as a core responsibility as an officer of the court and a public servant. I do not think this was an atypical attitude among my colleagues. I never asked anyone to leave - it never came up as an issue - but I can totally see where MP is coming from here.
  3. In-house, 7th year of call, do not own a car. I'm not a litigator now, but when I was, I used a car from the corporate fleet to get to court/tribunal appearances. So no, not every lawyer must own a car. But if you don't have a driver's license, I would strongly advise you to get one if possible.
  4. How many years of university studies have you completed?
  5. Practising lawyer here, 2012 call. If you were just doing the PhD for the purposes of improving your legal career prospects then the value proposition would be dubious. But it sounds like the PhD program is exciting and valuable to you in its own right, and well worth the trade-off of legal career length.
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  7. Huh, I had no idea this was permissible! Is this in Ontario?
  8. There is information on that page that was out of date when I graduated from law school in 2011. Caveat lector.
  9. I can't imagine the one-week trial period would actually be Articles of Clerkship. Articles aren't supposed to be unilaterally + arbitrarily terminable by the employer. I agree entirely with @Malicious Prosecutor's observation. Surely the only thing they could learn in that time would be whether you are capable of momentarily presenting yourself as a conscientious adult. I mean I guess it's valuable to be able to exclude people who don't meet that standard but isn't that what interviews are for?
  10. This thread might be useful to you:
  11. Yes, could you elaborate on this? Looking at padmapper, for 1-bedroom apartments, there don't seem to be many options in the area that come anywhere close to the $1177/month (including furniture and internet) at Osgoode Chambers.
  12. I lived in OC for all three years of law school, though I graduated seven years ago. If you haven't lived in Toronto before, I do strongly recommend it, at least for first year - you don't have control over your schedule in 1L (so you'll have morning classes, and classes every weekday) so commuting is more of a pain. It gives you time to get to know the city/area so you can make a good decision about where to live in subsequent years. Your landlord is non-evil. And it's great to have your classmates as neighbours.
  13. Yes, my impression is that generally for government lawyer salaries, municipal > provincial > federal. (Though before you look at a map and get excited about the number of municipalities, bear in mind that it is typical for small municipalities to retain law firms rather than employing in-house counsel.)
  14. Very few. For example, at Osgoode: HIGHEST LEVEL OF POST-SECONDARY UPON ENTERING LAW SCHOOL Description Class of 2021 Class of 2020 Completed fewer than 2 years – – Completed 2 years with no degree – – Completed 3 years with no degree NA – Completed 3 years with a degree 5% 8% Have a 4 year degree 76% 71% Have a Master’s degree 13% 17% Phd – – Other – – Choose not to answer 3% 2%
  15. My experience is limited to Ontario (and not criminal law), but I would say that it is quite difficult to move into government early in your career, if you articled in the private sector. Government employers have a steady stream of onboarded junior-level lawyers from their articling recruitment, so when they're recruiting it's usually for mid- or late-career lawyers. So basically, you'll want to spend several years developing expertise in an area of law that is relevant to government, and wait/hope for an opening in that area. By then, of course, it may be less appealing. For instance, a candidate well-described by this posting is probably making close to $1M in the private sector; but the salary range for this position is a maximum of ~$200K. Typical application to start date is a couple of months. Lots of applications to sort through, then interviews have to be scheduled around the availability of the interviewing panel. Public sector recruitment/hiring is highly standardized with considerable effort to avoid (some) biases, nepotism, etc. I would imagine it's the least "who you know" part of the legal profession. ETA: You can gain an advantage by talking to people who are in the government legal office where you want to work, and getting a sense of what they do. I guess that's a kind of "who you know", but it's also open to anybody - it's not difficult to track down who does X law for the government of Y, and if you reach out to them the chances of a positive response are high.
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