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      I still haven't got beyond "prove with numbers and evidence that the value of work actually performed matters, rather than the ability to issue a bill demanding payment for it." I'm amazed anyone else is willing to continue to engage beyond that point. But to those that want to, have at it.
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      You are also making generalized assertions about the value of law students as employees though. I know you're just going to write me off as one of the regulars here who always agrees with all of the other regulars, but I actually don't purport to know anything about the economics of law student value to firms either way (I have almost no private sector experience in law). I just don't understand how there would be a burden on only one specific party here in the face of two competing assertions.
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      The people making the generalization about students are the ones with the burden of proof, not me. You should know the basic rules of evidence. When arguing in their own defense, sworn affidavits by lawyers with facts baldly stated won't be given credence by an actual judge unless there are attachments containing accounting evidence. There is something very off about this forum. It doesn't have many reasonable people, or maybe it's just the regulars such as yourself that are the problem.  
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      When I was an aspiring law student and this place was 80% applicants, 18% students, and a couple of lawyers, I was happy to hold forth because, hey, nobody here knew any better than I did. Some guy behind a keyboard says he's a lawyer? Well, I've got a keyboard too, fuck you. Decades later, I know a hell of a lot more than I used to know, but I'm also a lot more aware that others know far more than I do. So I don't hold forth nearly as much. Working in a paraprofessional role, I could probably tell you more about legal topic X than some lawyers who focus on topic Y could...but also, we've got practitioners here who practice in topic X, and people are better off hearing from them than from me. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, etc. Sometimes "you don't know enough about this to be worth arguing with" isn't an ad hominem. Sometimes it's just how it is. If someone walks in ignorant with a question, there are plenty of people here who'll answer it. But if someone walks in ignorant with an assertion, there are plenty of people here who'll answer that, too.
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      The reason folks are reacting negatively to you demanding evidence is because: (i) you absurdly stated that nothing but objective accounting evidence from law firms would settle this internet debate, not even sworn affidavits from lawyers; and (ii) you keep making statements of fact without supporting evidence, notwithstanding your statement summarized above.  If you want us to take “a hard look at the numbers and mak[e] data-driven decisions”, feel free to share the data on which you’re basing your statements. If you’re not going to do that, perhaps objecting to everyone else’s statements on the basis they’re anecdotes rather than spreadsheets is not the most persuasive approach? 
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