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  1. This is an excellent, excellent post and I just wanted to highlight the key points above because I sincerely wish more law students reading here would consider the merits of these points. When I was in 1L, the whole 1L class got a mental health awareness talk focused on "resilience". I don't remember much of the substantial points said to us, but thinking back on the idea of "resilience", I think it's too often framed as "how to bounce back after you fall off the beaten path while watching your other peers continue march down". Rarely did we ever consider, let alone talk about, the resilience required in continuously trying to pave your own way. I would say that trying to forge a way off the beaten path takes even more resilience than moving past your failure(s) while travelling the beaten path. But the frame in which we situate shifts of mindset and resilience training at law school so often glosses over the idea that perhaps we should be resilient not merely as an ex post remedy to the end of formal recruits. It takes a quieter kind of faith in oneself to believe that one should take the initiative to create and seek out opportunities, even when the odds of success are on the slim side, even when it asks you to cast aside your pride. I think many law students would be surprised how important it is to have self-determination and perseverance required to insist on creating one's own reality if you aim to be successful practicing law. As you said, it is an entrepreneurial mindset, and kudos to you for figuring it all out in the 2L post-recruit period. All the best to you in the 2L job search, I hope you will spend your summer doing work that you find interesting and help you pave your own way further. Should you participate in the articling recruit I am optimistic that you will find it to be a much more fruitful experience.
  2. I know one person who got accepted to UofT after finishing 3 years of their Bachelor's degree with a 4.0 cGPA. I'm sure their LSAT was excellent (170+) too. It is rare but it can happen if you have that level of killer stats.
  3. The first half of your question is answered here https://lso.ca/becoming-licensed/lawyer-licensing-process/articling-candidates/finding-a-placement/2022-23-articling-recruitment-procedures
  4. Robins Appleby's deadline is March 10 If you haven't done so already I would strongly recommend setting up search alerts for summer law student positions on popular job board sites like Indeed. Also give some thought about what other types of work you'd like to do aside from full service firms with a business law focus, because those jobs are much scarcer in the post-recruit period. You can hope for the best but still plan for the worst.
  5. popping back onto this thread to say that I struck out in the 2L recruit last cycle, for those of you who are having a rough time rn, my inbox is open if you want to talk to someone who has been through similar circumstances, or just want to get something off your chest to a total stranger who doesn't know you/promises not to judge. this year is already quite a bit more isolating than past years and i know it can be hard to reach out to the official, personally identifying channels of support.
  6. I had Yak (Iacobucci) for Legal Methods
  7. Stewart also taught Legal Process for the last two batches of 1L. Dawood is another prof I would add to the Con law list.
  8. If you really have to do something to prepare for 1L, I would suggest two things: practice reading and practice typing. If you don't come from a reading-intensive academic discipline before coming to law school, it may help to train yourself to read faster and skim/speed-read large volumes of text. If you are not a fast typer, train yourself to type faster because most law students type out their exams on the computer. If you already have those basic skills down pat and you are not worried about them, follow the advice you've been given above, especially re: resume preparation.
  9. Re: behavioural questions, I have heard from my 2L friends that some big firms are asking more behavioural questions in comparison to conversational questions, supposedly in an effort to make evaluation "more fair", etc. I do agree that you are more likely to get more specific or deeper questions about details on your resume during in-firms. Also the interviewers are more likely to expect to see more of your personality since they would get to talk to you for twice as long or even longer than your OCI, so they would probably want to get to know you better and what sets you apart from other candidates.
  10. Not sure if FSRA does things differently now but when I applied there for Summer 2020 positions the lawyer in charge of hiring just called directly at 8am to schedule the in-firm interview, they did not send an ITC
  11. If you are not a pumped-and-energetic-and-ready-to-work-the-room type of person at 8am, do not schedule your top firm at 8am purely to "signal interest". Later in the morning or early afternoon on the first day would be just as fine. Also, at 8am, you would have met only one firm and not have had other in-firm experiences for comparison yet, so using strong absolutist language to convey interest is unlikely to come across as very sincere to your 8am firm.
  12. You might have better luck getting a specific, more tailored answer if you call them on the phone and explain the full context of your situation in a real time conversation. If the law school admissions office continues to be unhelpful, try reaching out to your undergrad institution's careers office as they might have received similar questions from students in similar situations before.
  13. I doubt the law societies are planning that far ahead rn, if you plan on seeking articling in Ontario (judging by your post history as a Western student) here's the page with recruitment procedure details which I'm sure will be updated when they are ready to release the information https://lso.ca/becoming-licensed/lawyer-licensing-process/articling-candidates/finding-a-placement Alternatively this page also has the phone number and email of the folks in charge of articling so you can reach out to them directly and see if they are willing to drop any hints. Good luck!
  14. Unfortunately, the only way out is through. If you want advice I have a whole spiel here Honestly, when it sucks, it just sucks a lot. But you will get through this, everyone I know including myself who struck out at the recruit made it out just fine with articling jobs that we are looking forward to starting. Try to keep your eye on the long-term prize of building a personally meaningful career with your degree and your license. Good luck!
  15. (For #5 I think you meant ITC, not ITO, @Hegdis 😄) For 0Ls/1Ls/2Ls: If you find your casebook tough to chew through and process, try a treatise! Reach out to your law librarian and ask them how to get your hands on a copy of a treatise for the 1L class that's making you tear your hair out. Chances are the treatise will break down and explain the legal doctrines in a much clearer and more concise way. I've never written an assignment about contracts without leafing through Waddams' treatises and citing from them liberally. There is absolutely no correlation between using Latin words and sounding smart (TM). If you've never heard of the word before, look up "aegrotat" in your law school's Academic Handbook (or whatever your law school calls the rule book that governs how the academic program is run). If you ever find yourself in the unlucky situation of something unexpected happening during an exam, like sudden/severe flare-up of a long-term medical condition, a panic attack, etc etc that prevented you from performing at your usual level of competency on an exam, "aegrotat" may be the emergency escape hatch for you. Learn how to use Styles in Word. Learn how to generate a table of contents. It's okay to go to office hours without fully formed questions and/or with only half-formed thoughts. Profs really just want to talk sometimes. Get them talking about something they are passionate about. Invest in building relationships with profs you like, the sooner you start the better. It will probably come in handy when you need one or two or three references when you apply to certain jobs and/or clerkships.
  16. Good luck! FWIW I had 10 OCIs for the 2L recruit and struck out without a job anyways. All happy/lucky candidates are alike; each unhappy/unlucky candidate is unhappy/unlucky in their own way. Take the time you need to recuperate from this disappointment and I hope there will be happier days ahead for you.
  17. I wouldn't attach the updated transcript since there could be doubts as to whether it's fair for the employers to consider the grades you received after the application deadline has passed. I would keep the email short and to the point, i.e. summarize in one sentence what makes you a great candidate and make the case for why you deserve to be re-considered.
  18. OP, it might still be worthwhile to send follow-up emails to the directors of student programs at firms that you'd still be excited to meet with/work for. Ask them if they'd consider fitting you into their OCI schedule if any spots become available again. For the ones that you networked with back in the fall, try to jog their memories about those conversations you had, and above all, convey enthusiasm that you would really appreciate the opportunity to meet with them and you are still super interested. Worst case, everyone ignores you, and you wouldn't be worse off anyways. But if you get lucky even with one firm, you will get yourself back into the game.
  19. Don't let perfection be the enemy of the good, by which I mean, don't let imperfect arrangements of your OCI schedule affect your ultimate goal of being great and at least good when you start your conversation with the interviewers. Nothing good comes out of overthinking and rationalizing decisions made by others that are completely beyond your control. Practice your prepared answers so they flow out naturally and make sure you practice in the mirror/webcam to make sure your expressions, voice and tone come across as confident, enthusiastic and measured. Be the candidate who wows the tired interviewers and give them a reason to remember you as the person who brought their very long day to an impressive, memorable end.
  20. Yeah IIRC way back in the day, the admin-controlled group used to be the only student FB group, but one year the students decided they wanted more privacy away from admin presence, so a student-controlled FB group was created and became the main hub of information and activities. That said, when I was in 1L a professor did go to the admin-controlled group to post about a summer job opportunity which was not cross-posted to the student-controlled group, and that remains the only memory I have of the admin-controlled group having unique informational value since I started law school.
  21. If you do end up volunteering/shadowing/otherwise working for free, I would recommend asking the right questions re: how much mentorship and guidance you will be able to get from the lawyer(s) in exchange for your time and efforts. Ask if you will have opportunities to do actual legal work under proper supervision, don't be so willing to settle for "secretarial work". "I spent the summer making photocopies and working the binding machine" will not be a great story to tell when interviewers ask you how you spent your summer.
  22. To add to the advice you've been given above, showing a strong and proven interest in a particular area of practice can also go pretty far in terms of distinguishing yourself as a candidate, apart from any pre-set grades cutoffs that any given employer may follow. This point is obvious for any small to mid-sized employers with an obvious area of specialization, but even for full-service firms that have lawyers who practice in a broad range of areas of law, many firms stand out as recognized leaders in particular areas of practice. That's the part you'll need to figure out by researching what firms are most well-known for what type of law and how your particular ECs may be a perfect fit with a given firm. For example, if you worked in a particular division of the clinic and your moot is about a particular type of law, see how you can play that up to show a tailored and demonstrated interest in a firm that excels in those areas.
  23. for the ease of everyone's reference, here are the LSO recruitment rules for summer 2021 positions https://lso.ca/becoming-licensed/lawyer-licensing-process/articling-candidates/finding-a-placement/2021-toronto-summer-student-recruitment-procedures Group A schools: Dalhousie University Lakehead University McGill University Queen’s University Thompson Rivers University University of Alberta University of Calgary University of British Columbia University of Victoria University of Windsor Western University Group B schools: Osgoode Hall Law School University of Ottawa University of Toronto Faculty of Law Law Students registered at schools not listed above or not in Group A National Committee of Accreditation (NCA) candidates
  24. I worked on a remote basis as a summer student in private practice in 2020. For OP and anyone who might be worried about the uncertainties of how that works out, in my experience the technology set up was the easy part, as in the support staff did their jobs well and I rarely had technical difficulties, but unfortunately there is just no perfect substitute for walking by someone's office and poking your head in for a chat about work/non-work stuff. There were one or two lawyers who went out of their way to reach out and set up calls with me just to chat and get to know each other more casually, and it was super special knowing that they intentionally took time out of their day to make a student feel welcomed. The lawyers who assigned me work were very approachable and encouraged reaching out via texts/calls but I pretty much did not interact with lawyers who were not in the habit of working with students. My group chat with my fellow students was a life line, though, we watched out for one another and helped each other out with lessening the load when some of us were drowning in deadlines or needed an extra hand with specific tasks. That's the other thing with getting work assignments remotely, lawyers wouldn't oversee/overhear what their colleagues are doing in the students' area of the office and they also wouldn't be able to just walk by the students and see how busy/not busy they seem to be. The responsibility is on the student to assess their workload and decide if they need to de-prioritize and re-negotiate certain tasks and deadlines or recommend the lawyer to assign the task to another, less busy student.
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