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  1. You can find the information here: https://handbook.law.utoronto.ca/jd-academic-program/first-year-academic-program
  2. In my experience yes, sometimes students don't get exposed to a big variety of practice areas in 1Ls, because the 1L curriculum is quite theory heavy, and there are limited opportunities available to 1Ls in terms of substantial exposure to a variety of practice areas in the real world. People's minds can absolutely change as they get exposed to and learn more about things they didn't know before, particularly first generation law students. I also find that a lot of times it's not so much "changing" so much as it is "finetuning" and "zeroing in", from a more general area to a more specific area (e.g. you start in 1L wanting to do civil litigation but you don't realize until you're in 2L that you are specifically interested in practicing employment law as a litigator).
  3. The week before the school shut down and classes went 100% online due to the pandemic, a whole bunch of current 2Ls/3Ls and the newest batch of graduates showed up to the student town hall where we were able to voice our opinions regarding the new proposed curriculum. Most of us were confused and concerned by the semestered small group structure. If you need help, definitely reach out to book a tutoring appointment with the ASP, reach out to an upper year mentor or other upper year students who have taken small group with the same professor you have, I think most everyone would sympathize with the stress added by the new small group structure and try to help. You'll get through this!
  4. I too find the upper years of law school way more enjoyable than 1L. I think the 1L curriculum is something that you just have to treat as something necessary to get through before you can qualify for more hands-on, practical experiences. Also this is quite common in 1L in my experience, partly because many 1Ls are insecure and would rather not talk about the less rosy aspects of law school even if they are actually feeling a similar dislike towards or lack of enjoyment of law school, partly because the uniform curriculum means that you might see the same people all the time and sometimes the people you see all the time (again, due to a curriculum you could not customize) are just not the type you'd likely to become close friends with. I'm a self-identified grump and whenever I had a choice, I always distanced myself from people who emanated "toxic positivity" vibes. I made most of my close friends at law school in 2L, simply because I felt like being more social: my classes were more tailored to my interests and I had more control over how I used my time. As for extracurriculars, if you don't feel like doing anything, don't force yourself. It's harder during the pandemic but if you can find opportunities outside school, either a part-time job or a volunteering position that doesn't necessarily have to be the "law qua law", it wouldn't hurt to get involved and try it out. There is no single "correct" way to cultivate passion and facilitate growth in law school and spend these 3 years in a meaningful way. I think it's very easy to feel discouraged in 1L because you don't think you fit the single mold that you see everyone else being eager and comfortable to fit into, but don't forget that there are ways to customize your experience for you. It just takes more time, effort and thought to go off the beaten path. Good luck!
  5. This is a good take, and also wanted to add my anecdata: 2 out of 3 in-firm calls I received on Call Day for 2L summer interviews were from employers who did not ITC me. One did not even come in the form of a phone call (the associate emailed me and offered me a timeslot that I presume was supposed to be filled by another candidate but it didn't work out for some reason, and they asked me a few hours after the typical time period for calls in the morning had already passed).
  6. I'm currently a 3L and received the worst batch of grades I've ever gotten in law school in the first semester of 1L. My inbox is open to any 1Ls who need advice or just want to talk, especially after receiving your first assignment/exam grade. You are valid and your feelings are valid, don't ever forget that.
  7. I was working at a full-time permanent job while doing the LSAT and working on my law school applications, and not knowing if I'd get in anywhere for sure (in which case I would need to continue working there), I didn't tell any co-workers or bosses about my law school applications. So I put down someone from my personal life as the verifier for my job, no one called, everything worked out fine. As long as you don't have some outlandishly outstanding achievement or experience in the ABS, just reasonably good and impressive ones, your verifier probably would not be called.
  8. During my 1L summer I worked in a small shop of ~12 lawyers under a partner who did commercial/corporate work, but as it is usually the case with a small shop, the type of work you get is heavily driven by the deadlines of the day/week and sometimes you need to be ready for some chaos. I drafted/reviewed/revised various letters and agreements (e.g. demand letters, agreements of purchase and sale for franchise), wrote articles for the website, helped the secretary put together minute books (and in this process learned how to read a minute book which was super handy when I took Business Organizations/Associations in 2L). When litigation needed an extra hand, I attended and took notes at client meetings, compiled exhibits for affidavits, reviewed documents (so many construction purchase orders and invoices). And for either commercial/corporate or litigation, I was always ready to find the answers for whatever research questions came my way and email back my findings. During my 2L summer I'm working at a bigger shop (50-100 lawyers) with the litigation department, I've been doing research emails/memos for the most part, but the variety and breadth of the type of law involved is a lot broader than the smaller shop. So far I've done assignments regarding Wills/Estates, Financial Services, Commercial Leasing, etc. Since the courts are closed and meetings/arbitration/hearings are proceeding virtually, the pace of deadlines has been slower, with a few exceptions where a client asked a lawyer to turn around something in like 3 days and you need to step up to the plate to get them whatever they need to meet that expectation. And of course, there's always more article writing to fill the time on slower days, and always be ready to get a email or a call asking you to look into a broad or narrow research question about the law.
  9. i've seen part-time jobs for law-related work get shared on my school's job board and facebook groups, and know friends who have kept TA or admin positions throughout the school year. it's nice to have the extra income to help offset the high cost of living in the city, pay bills, and the flexibility of course selection in upper years would make scheduling easier too. i think the decision just comes down to how well you know yourself re: time management, handling deadlines, willingness to trade off other interests or commitments for extra income, etc.
  10. pretty sure that the size of your undergrad school is not a big factor, relatively speaking they care a lot more about your LSAT score, GPA and experiences that make you unique/stand out (i.e. think about how your research experience sets you up for success as a law student and convey that in your essays).
  11. Personally I'm still of the opinion that no news is good news. However I think it is worth following up proactively in situations where, say, you would like your employer to provide a firm update x weeks in advance of your start date so that you can plan out your housing situation, give your current landlord one month's notice if you still have a summer job to relocate for. In that case your email to your employer will contain a detailed explanation of details as to why the matter is particularly time-sensitive for you. Otherwise, I'm not sure asking will make a difference; I'm sure the firms know that we are all waiting and expecting to be updated ASAP on any decisions that will impact us, as soon as those decisions are firmed up.
  12. Just wanted to say I very much appreciate the serious nature and important utility of the original topic and related updates from posters, as I am also anxiously waiting for status updates regarding my summer offer/start date. But I honestly have not laughed this hard since the day classes moved online, thank you everyone who made these past couple of pages an absolute absurdist joy to read
  13. i was accepted in the 2018 cycle and know at least 1 person in my year who was accepted from the waitlist 🙂
  14. For UofT, the CR/NCR scheme applies to all courses, including full-year courses, which means it is applicable to clinics and journals.
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