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  1. Osgoode breaks their incoming 1L class into 4 Sections of ~70 students. You stay with your section for all of 1L, with certain "small group" segments of 1L courses broken further out of the sections. You also get a perspective option (seminar) in Winter 1L, which will be a mix of students from all sections. I had a great experience in my 1L section, and most of my fellow 1L's seemed to feel the same; it gives 1L's a bit of a 'comfort zone' in an otherwise big school. Yet, by 2L there is very little segregation by section, and people seem to have no problem finding friend groups with common interests, and you will tend to come across the same people regularly for this reason. It really is more like an adult version of high school than undergrad. The only time Osgoode felt like a "big" school is when they have to herd all of 1L into the academic "success" sessions (which were an absolute waste of time). For upper year lectures, enrollment varies between ~30 and 80 students. 80 students in a lecture hall was tight, but the better professors were able to keep discussions from becoming too tangential, and reliably deliver course content at very reasonable rates (Dufraimont was really good at this). Seminars can be as little as 8 or 9 students, up to ~25. All of this is subject to the current online learning environment, which I really have little input on. I will say, genearlly speaking, I never felt as though my presence was 'diluted' by the larger student body. People that want to stand out will stand out among the student body, you will develop strong connections with other students, and your professors will get to know you very personally. However, all of this is contingent on the student putting the time and effort in.
  2. No matter how you look at it, you will be sacrificing something in exchange for the MBA. Whether it's extra tuition, summer(s) that you could have been in the job market gaining legal experience, or a portion of your course load that could have been applied towards your interested field(s) of law. These are things you are going to have to weigh for yourself when deciding the value of the extra letters. Not adding an additional year to my call would be paramount to me, but YMMV. I have no idea whatsoever about what Canadian MBA programs are considered "good," only that there is some hierarchy, whether perceived or actual. As for JD programs, take the advice that is given on this board ad nauseam, if you have the opportunity to, pick a school in the jurisdiction you want to practice (at minimum the province). There are no "not good" JD programs in Canada. I don't know about all schools, but Osgoode allows a portion of 1L's to apply to the joint program. That would be a more preferable route in my mind, as at least you have had some exposure to the field of law before deciding. But, I would guess that a significant portion of 1L applicants still aren't informed enough at that point to assess the value of the program. MBA's do appear to open up some doors to legal jobs in accounting firms and similar, and may benefit you if you ever go in-house. Whether these things [if true] are actually a result of the MBA designation, or are just more indicative of the type of people who pursue MBA's, who knows. For what it's worth, the overwhelming majority of JD/MBA students I have spoken with said they didn't feel that it brought the value they thought it would, and they hadn't even reached the job market yet. Here's another way to put it: That an overwhelming majority of called lawyers, even those practicing in corporate law, DON'T go back to earn an MBA should signal to you the value they think it would bring to their own legal careers.
  3. It happens, I couldn't tell you with what frequency though. I was told to apply broadly for 2L and see what you land. You can take more than one clinic over 2nd and 3rd year at Osgoode, you just cannot take more than one intensive (CLASP, Crim Intensive, Parkdale, or any of the 15-credit clinics). Meaning, you would be best to apply to all the clinics/intensives you are interested in 2L, hope to land something less than 15 credits (i.e. Innocence), and re-apply for 3L. From a scale of bad to good it would be awesome. Especially if it's a winter-term intensive that does not involve lectures or exams! It's as common to take an intensive in 3L as in 2L, you take what you can when you can.
  4. This is a strong and unrealistic assumption for the average student, and still debatable re: value in the aggregate. By nature, the average student will not get the maximum. It is not a basis on which to make a rational decision. Here is a decent article on the cost of legal education: http://www.slaw.ca/2019/02/26/the-cost-of-becoming-a-lawyer/ While Koolaid may be cheap, the Osgoode and UofT varieties tend to be priced at a premium. If value is a consideration, look elsewhere instead of relying on a a hope of subsidization, or you WILL be left disappointed. Just my opinion...
  5. I believe many of them went out first week of December last year. Not sure whether you would be notified if you're not selected to receive one.
  6. I mean, if you actually want to get some value out of them, just put them out on a shelf in your office to make it look like you actually read them to impress your clients/supervisor.
  7. I never said anything about conscientiousness, only dedication and competence. Ask any Sr division leader at CLASP if they can tell the difference between the DL’s who apply and work there out of genuine interest and passion, and those that are simply there to build their resumes. Then ask them how much more effectively the clinic could have helped those individuals who go there seeking assistance with their real world issues (facing deportation, losing custody of their children, jail sentences and criminal records for first offenses, whatever people in admin do [lol], Etc.) if they had more of the former.
  8. It depends 😉. Are you the type of candidate they are looking for, with demonstrated interests in that field and good grades? If not any will be hard to secure, they are nearly all extremely competitive. That being said, I hope exclusivity of positions or “prestige” aren’t part of your criteria for selecting an intensive/clinical. Pursue those that you are passionate about or would like to experience in practice. It would be extremely shitty to take a position just for the challenge or difficulty of it when someone who actually gives a shit about the program and people it services could excel at it. Good grades in school ≠ excelling in the field, especially for public interest and moreso if your heart isn’t in it.
  9. Class prize/awards are news to me, thanks all. I might have to knock on at least one professor’s door myself.. Also, I may have come across a bit cranky in my first reply. Congratulations pinkroses, well done.
  10. A’s must make up the top 10-20% of the class. + grades can make up to a maximum of 1/3 of all A’s and B’s, making an A+ the top 1-7% of grades for that class depending on the professor. No, As far as I know they do not give awards for doing well in one class. The only awards that are given out are upon graduation I believe (upper years or grads can chime in), and they are for students with the top ~10% of all cGPA throughout LS. A high grade in a class may increase your chances of getting on as dean’s fellow (that could be your pat on the back), but that they are at the professor’s discretion.
  11. You can check last year’s upper year schedule here by logging in: https://ozdomapp1.osgoode.yorku.ca/myosgoode.nsf/jdschedules.xsp I imagine professors, dates and times may change to some extent, but it will give you an idea of what your interested class schedule would have looked like for the past year (which could very well be similar for the upcoming year). Noteworthy, not a lot of core, “black-letter” law lectures are scheduled for Fridays. So, barring clinics/intensives or special interest seminars, it’s fairly safe to assume you could schedule yourself Monday-Thursday at minimum, and more realistically 3 days a week.
  12. To be honest as inconvenient as it was commuting from downtown, the subway forced me to read during that time. By the end of the year it was the ONLY time I did any readings. Lol
  13. Sorry, not the standard class grade distribution, I meant the distribution of averages for the year for all students and classes. To see where you stand for overall GPA.
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