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  1. Class prize/awards are news to me, thanks all. I might have to knock on at least one professor’s door myself.. Also, I may have come across a bit cranky in my first reply. Congratulations pinkroses, well done.
  2. A’s must make up the top 10-20% of the class. + grades can make up to a maximum of 1/3 of all A’s and B’s, making an A+ the top 1-7% of grades for that class depending on the professor. No, As far as I know they do not give awards for doing well in one class. The only awards that are given out are upon graduation I believe (upper years or grads can chime in), and they are for students with the top ~10% of all cGPA throughout LS. A high grade in a class may increase your chances of getting on as dean’s fellow (that could be your pat on the back), but that they are at the professor’s discretion.
  3. You can check last year’s upper year schedule here by logging in: https://ozdomapp1.osgoode.yorku.ca/myosgoode.nsf/jdschedules.xsp I imagine professors, dates and times may change to some extent, but it will give you an idea of what your interested class schedule would have looked like for the past year (which could very well be similar for the upcoming year). Noteworthy, not a lot of core, “black-letter” law lectures are scheduled for Fridays. So, barring clinics/intensives or special interest seminars, it’s fairly safe to assume you could schedule yourself Monday-Thursday at minimum, and more realistically 3 days a week.
  4. To be honest as inconvenient as it was commuting from downtown, the subway forced me to read during that time. By the end of the year it was the ONLY time I did any readings. Lol
  5. Sorry, not the standard class grade distribution, I meant the distribution of averages for the year for all students and classes. To see where you stand for overall GPA.
  6. Anyone know where to find the Osgoode average grade distribution online? I've seen from the past that they typically print it on the back of transcripts, but I haven't ordered any transcripts (and won't be for some time). Thanks,
  7. For future readers: nervousness is not the worst thing you can demonstrate in an interview IMHO. It shows that you are vested in the process and that you are a real (non-sociopathic) human being. How you manage your nervousness in that setting (i.e. by not completely shutting down) is more likely to inform a panel’s decision, at least in my experience. And besides, show me a 1L whose legs aren’t shaking during their first moot. Nervousness will happen regularly, you just need to learn to cope with it! Eventually you may even start chasing that high...
  8. The same tips you would expect for any job interview. You are there because they want you but want clarification on some points or want to verify that you're the type of candidate they are looking for. Interviews were more common in my year for mature students who didn't necessarily have the stats to get automatically accepted in the general stream. Some general tips would be to show confidence (but not arrogance), competence, humility, passion, positivity (or at least pleasantness), drive; these would be some qualities I believe interviewers would take well to. Also, try to have some interesting stories prepped to use as responses (i.e. "give us an example of a time you demonstrated leadership") if you're not naturally inclined at that sort of thing on the fly. And finally, be prepared to answer practical questions in the interview. If you have a young family, for example, they may ask how you plan on balancing school and real life. You can search this forum for past-year sample questions to know what to expect, here are a few: Etc.
  9. I believe they typically request interviews for applicants with access, work experience or other factors that may not make them a competitive applicant in the general stream, but are interested nonetheless. When you get an email confirming your interview time, it lays out most of the common grounds for requesting an interview, including clarification of LSAT/GPA matters, or examples of life experience or leadership to help them make their decision. I would say it is commonly offered to candidates that they want, but are on the fence about from a stats point of view. Interviews are often scheduled for ~2 weeks (or a bit less) after you receive an email, can be in-person or over the phone/Skype, and typically result in admission. When I crunched the numbers from here last year it was something like 85-90% of interviewees that received offers of admission. Dress code: They would probably say business casual, and that’s what the interviewers will be wearing, but almost everyone shows up in business attire. Wear whatever makes you feel confident. if you search through prior years’ threads, you will find examples of most of the questions you may be asked. It’s helpful to get an idea of what to say beforehand, just don’t show up with a script.
  10. As an Osgoode 1L, I cannot endorse this statement. 🤣 Edit: OP, you have been given good advice. I can't think of anything you could read right now that will put you at any advantage to your peers. Some of the "what 1L is like" books are informative to put your nerves at ease, but that's about it. Mind you, in my experience relieving yourself of anxiety is at least as useful in approaching law school as any pre-emptive knowledge, so do whatever makes you feel better. Just don't expect to enter law school with any advantage to your peers; you will either develop an advantage or you will not, but outside of good study habits and not stressing the fuck out, it's largely out of your control. Law school is more about developing skills than knowledge (and those skills eventually lead to learning and applying the correct knowledge). I would second that being current with the news is the best thing you could do, followed by organizing your life to the fullest extent possible (you will be hard-pressed to find time for "normal" things once in law school), and finally reading some case law. The older and drier, the better. But as mentioned, the purpose is not necessarily to retain any of "the law" from those cases but more to familiarize yourself with the language and structure of case law to become more proficient at reading it. My reading speed for cases increased by 3-fold over the first semester. Thankfully, law school is pretty good at easing 1L's into the readings and ramping up appropriately (or sadistically, YMMV).
  11. Don't stress about it. The admission process is not lightning fast, if you sent it as requested you will be fine. How long has it been since you sent your deposit, and by what method?
  12. 🤣😂🤣 Where is this magical school, taught by unicorns? I kid, I kid... I am not disappointed with my grades in law school thus far, so this is not from the point of resentment, but this statement is simply not reflective of me or my peers' experiences. Different professors expect different things on their exams. Grading will be subjective to the extent that you address what the professor is looking for in the way they are looking for it. I've heard stories of professors flat out being unable to justify grade discrepancies when comparing different exams with very similar content and delivery. Take format, for example. Some professors don't care about headings, however, most care quite a bit about them, and organization using things like headers/sub-headers can have a substantial impact on your grade. There is some objectivity in grading from the aspect of the content you write in exams, such as citing the right cases and rules/principles derived from them. But, that is (again, in my experience) far from the entirety of the marking scheme, the rest being relatively subjective. When the difference between a B and an A after being curved could be a matter of a few marks, it is not uncommon to compare exams with near-identical content in which the students end up with drastically different grades.
  13. Everyone so far has given great supportive advice. I just want to point out a couple things to potentially help you on your journey: 1) Your admission to Law School is far from over given your stats. You do have a shot at admission to a law school in Canada if you look at some of the acceptance threads, so don't give up just yet! It's a long journey, and in the scope of life and career, you're truly just at the beginning. 2) Please take some time to take care of yourself, and seek help and support. The stresses you are facing are not unique, but I can imagine they must feel insurmountable right now. The thing is, law school (and practice by the sounds of it) is equally or more stressful, depressing and relatively unhealthy for your mental well-being. If you don't seek the help and support you need now about your current circumstances, it's destined to repeat itself during school, during the recruits, during articling, during practice, etc. Before you take any of this on, you need to take care of yourself first. 3) As mentioned, once you get into law school your GPA from undergrad is not going to mean a heck of a lot. There are many people in law school with mediocre averages, and some that don't even have completed degrees. Undergrad, generally speaking, is the means to the end - the end being law school. Once you do get in, it's basically a reset, and everyone is on near equal grounds. 4) You need to be prepared for the possibility that law isn't the career for you. This might be because you will have difficulty getting into law school, or you might find law school overwhelming, or you might find the career as a lawyer abysmal. Don't fix yourself on one single path to define your success. Given your grades and LSAT score, you clearly have the ability to work hard and achieve good outcomes, don't lose sight of that if one career does happen to escape you. 5) The tough dad talk: The world is not fair, and it's not going to care how much work you put into something. If you end up working as an associate, the partner isn't going to care how much work you put into a document. A judge won't care how much research you put into drafting a submission. Law school professors are not going to care how much you studied for an exam. The world is driven by results, despite the means to accomplish them. Some people will have an infinitely easier time accomplishing what you may find difficult. Alternatively, there will undoubtedly be things that you will excel at that others cannot even muster. Once you let go of these inhibitions, expectations, and entitlements of what you expect of the world, see and embrace the good you're capable of and become optimistic about your opportunities, things will get better. You are not giving yourself enough credit for what you have accomplished so far! The road is long, and you're just getting started. Please, don't close doors that haven't even opened yet. And don't bother justifying yourself to others, be happy with who you are and what you do, let that define your life instead of things outside of your control. Feel free to reach out by PM if you'd like to talk.
  14. I agree with you that there is no objective definition of an "easy" program in undergrad, which is why choosing a program you find "easy" to get A's in is not a bad approach at all. These will likely be the subjects that you inherently have skills and interest in; otherwise, good marks wouldn't come easily to you. What is easy for one can be quite difficult to another (i.e. those who excel in English Literature would likely not in Engineering, and vice versa), isn't the opposite of this the basis for every STEM vs Humanities/Social Science debate that we are all sick of reading about? Any program in undergrad can be challenging if you invest the time into it and take it seriously (i.e. strive for A's...) Challenging yourself is more a function of how you approach your studies than the discipline itself unless you can name me a program that you believe is objectively not challenging? So, if we agree that no discipline can be said to be objectively easy or challenging, then how is it that pursuing a subject which one finds easy to get A's in is undesirable or contrary to anything you've said about interests/skills? We are talking programs not individual professors or courses here. We were discussing programs, not individual courses/professors. Though I would agree, fulfilling your degree requirements with as many 1st year electives with "bird profs" might not be the best approach to preparing for law school. I would say "do what interests you and you are naturally skilled at." One might be challenged by writing essays but able to absolutely crush Calculus. I'd say unless you hate it, Calculus would be the better choice over English Lit if your goal is to get into law school. If the program you choose, despite how interesting or challenging you find it, does not allow you to excel and get the marks needed to get into law school, the conversation about preparation for law school is meaningless! Again, median GPA's to gain admissions have gone up over the years, it is increasingly difficult to stand out and one cannot ignore that. Now, the career prospects of different undergrad disciplines as a safety net in the case of not gaining admissions to LS is another matter entirely, and something that does warrant consideration by potential applicants given that only 1/3rd of applicants to law school gain admission (if Ontario statistics are consistent with the rest of the country).
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