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  1. I believe they typically request interviews for applicants with access, work experience or other factors that may not make them a competitive applicant in the general stream, but are interested nonetheless. When you get an email confirming your interview time, it lays out most of the common grounds for requesting an interview, including clarification of LSAT/GPA matters, or examples of life experience or leadership to help them make their decision. I would say it is commonly offered to candidates that they want, but are on the fence about from a stats point of view. Interviews are often scheduled for ~2 weeks (or a bit less) after you receive an email, can be in-person or over the phone/Skype, and typically result in admission. When I crunched the numbers from here last year it was something like 85-90% of interviewees that received offers of admission. Dress code: They would probably say business casual, and that’s what the interviewers will be wearing, but almost everyone shows up in business attire. Wear whatever makes you feel confident. if you search through prior years’ threads, you will find examples of most of the questions you may be asked. It’s helpful to get an idea of what to say beforehand, just don’t show up with a script.
  2. As an Osgoode 1L, I cannot endorse this statement. 🤣 Edit: OP, you have been given good advice. I can't think of anything you could read right now that will put you at any advantage to your peers. Some of the "what 1L is like" books are informative to put your nerves at ease, but that's about it. Mind you, in my experience relieving yourself of anxiety is at least as useful in approaching law school as any pre-emptive knowledge, so do whatever makes you feel better. Just don't expect to enter law school with any advantage to your peers; you will either develop an advantage or you will not, but outside of good study habits and not stressing the fuck out, it's largely out of your control. Law school is more about developing skills than knowledge (and those skills eventually lead to learning and applying the correct knowledge). I would second that being current with the news is the best thing you could do, followed by organizing your life to the fullest extent possible (you will be hard-pressed to find time for "normal" things once in law school), and finally reading some case law. The older and drier, the better. But as mentioned, the purpose is not necessarily to retain any of "the law" from those cases but more to familiarize yourself with the language and structure of case law to become more proficient at reading it. My reading speed for cases increased by 3-fold over the first semester. Thankfully, law school is pretty good at easing 1L's into the readings and ramping up appropriately (or sadistically, YMMV).
  3. Don't stress about it. The admission process is not lightning fast, if you sent it as requested you will be fine. How long has it been since you sent your deposit, and by what method?
  4. 🤣😂🤣 Where is this magical school, taught by unicorns? I kid, I kid... I am not disappointed with my grades in law school thus far, so this is not from the point of resentment, but this statement is simply not reflective of me or my peers' experiences. Different professors expect different things on their exams. Grading will be subjective to the extent that you address what the professor is looking for in the way they are looking for it. I've heard stories of professors flat out being unable to justify grade discrepancies when comparing different exams with very similar content and delivery. Take format, for example. Some professors don't care about headings, however, most care quite a bit about them, and organization using things like headers/sub-headers can have a substantial impact on your grade. There is some objectivity in grading from the aspect of the content you write in exams, such as citing the right cases and rules/principles derived from them. But, that is (again, in my experience) far from the entirety of the marking scheme, the rest being relatively subjective. When the difference between a B and an A after being curved could be a matter of a few marks, it is not uncommon to compare exams with near-identical content in which the students end up with drastically different grades.
  5. Everyone so far has given great supportive advice. I just want to point out a couple things to potentially help you on your journey: 1) Your admission to Law School is far from over given your stats. You do have a shot at admission to a law school in Canada if you look at some of the acceptance threads, so don't give up just yet! It's a long journey, and in the scope of life and career, you're truly just at the beginning. 2) Please take some time to take care of yourself, and seek help and support. The stresses you are facing are not unique, but I can imagine they must feel insurmountable right now. The thing is, law school (and practice by the sounds of it) is equally or more stressful, depressing and relatively unhealthy for your mental well-being. If you don't seek the help and support you need now about your current circumstances, it's destined to repeat itself during school, during the recruits, during articling, during practice, etc. Before you take any of this on, you need to take care of yourself first. 3) As mentioned, once you get into law school your GPA from undergrad is not going to mean a heck of a lot. There are many people in law school with mediocre averages, and some that don't even have completed degrees. Undergrad, generally speaking, is the means to the end - the end being law school. Once you do get in, it's basically a reset, and everyone is on near equal grounds. 4) You need to be prepared for the possibility that law isn't the career for you. This might be because you will have difficulty getting into law school, or you might find law school overwhelming, or you might find the career as a lawyer abysmal. Don't fix yourself on one single path to define your success. Given your grades and LSAT score, you clearly have the ability to work hard and achieve good outcomes, don't lose sight of that if one career does happen to escape you. 5) The tough dad talk: The world is not fair, and it's not going to care how much work you put into something. If you end up working as an associate, the partner isn't going to care how much work you put into a document. A judge won't care how much research you put into drafting a submission. Law school professors are not going to care how much you studied for an exam. The world is driven by results, despite the means to accomplish them. Some people will have an infinitely easier time accomplishing what you may find difficult. Alternatively, there will undoubtedly be things that you will excel at that others cannot even muster. Once you let go of these inhibitions, expectations, and entitlements of what you expect of the world, see and embrace the good you're capable of and become optimistic about your opportunities, things will get better. You are not giving yourself enough credit for what you have accomplished so far! The road is long, and you're just getting started. Please, don't close doors that haven't even opened yet. And don't bother justifying yourself to others, be happy with who you are and what you do, let that define your life instead of things outside of your control. Feel free to reach out by PM if you'd like to talk.
  6. I agree with you that there is no objective definition of an "easy" program in undergrad, which is why choosing a program you find "easy" to get A's in is not a bad approach at all. These will likely be the subjects that you inherently have skills and interest in; otherwise, good marks wouldn't come easily to you. What is easy for one can be quite difficult to another (i.e. those who excel in English Literature would likely not in Engineering, and vice versa), isn't the opposite of this the basis for every STEM vs Humanities/Social Science debate that we are all sick of reading about? Any program in undergrad can be challenging if you invest the time into it and take it seriously (i.e. strive for A's...) Challenging yourself is more a function of how you approach your studies than the discipline itself unless you can name me a program that you believe is objectively not challenging? So, if we agree that no discipline can be said to be objectively easy or challenging, then how is it that pursuing a subject which one finds easy to get A's in is undesirable or contrary to anything you've said about interests/skills? We are talking programs not individual professors or courses here. We were discussing programs, not individual courses/professors. Though I would agree, fulfilling your degree requirements with as many 1st year electives with "bird profs" might not be the best approach to preparing for law school. I would say "do what interests you and you are naturally skilled at." One might be challenged by writing essays but able to absolutely crush Calculus. I'd say unless you hate it, Calculus would be the better choice over English Lit if your goal is to get into law school. If the program you choose, despite how interesting or challenging you find it, does not allow you to excel and get the marks needed to get into law school, the conversation about preparation for law school is meaningless! Again, median GPA's to gain admissions have gone up over the years, it is increasingly difficult to stand out and one cannot ignore that. Now, the career prospects of different undergrad disciplines as a safety net in the case of not gaining admissions to LS is another matter entirely, and something that does warrant consideration by potential applicants given that only 1/3rd of applicants to law school gain admission (if Ontario statistics are consistent with the rest of the country).
  7. Is this (lack of class input) becoming more of a trend, or does it simply vary from class to class or year to year? Ive been noticing a fair amount of quiet classrooms, and it sometimes creates what I perceive as resentment from the professor, resulting in them being less engaged with the class and material. At the same time, if the same few people are always the ones speaking up trying to keep topics moving , it creates an air of hostility by classmates. Any input?
  8. If the alternative is not going to law school, your argument doesn’t really stand. GPA medians for general admissions appear to be on the rise and applicants need every advantage they can just to get in, let alone choose where they’d like to attend law school. Besides, I’ve seen students from STEM backgrounds struggling in law school just as often as I’ve seen criminal justice or Poli-sci backgrounds struggle. Picking a program you aren’t naturally gifted in (I.e. is not easier for you) does not seem like a good approach, and is certainly not going to prevent struggling in law school. Quite the opposite IMO, if you show you can study smarter, time manage effectively and approach school and learning from the perspective of how to excel in exams, you will be better prepared for law school. This may be a sad reality from an experiential point of view (compared to making the most of your learning), but so long as schools maintain heavy reliance on exams with curved grade profiles and firms rely predominantly on marks to select candidates, it’s the reality we live.
  9. Sounds pretty empirical. Probably should avoid Osgoode too, just to be safe.
  10. I can't really detract from the advice that Lakehead may not be the best road to a career in Toronto in IP or Health Law, but I want to mention two things (with the qualifier that I'm still just a law student myself): 1) Most people do not end up pursuing the type of law they expected they would upon entering law school. It's good to keep an open mind while keeping as many doors open as possible. 2) More than half of licensed lawyers in Ontario practice in a firm with fewer than 25 lawyers. This, I imagine, would be pretty similar in work to a sole practitioner type environment, in that you are going to be often working independently, bringing in your own clients, and effectively running your own business. Regarding Lakehead, the general attitude I tend to get from this site and among law students is that Lakehead does not offer opportunities commensurate with its cost (or in comparison to other law schools). However, where Lakehead really excels from my understanding (I don't go there), is to prepare students for the realities of small/solo practice (and fulfilling articling requirements as part of the curriculum, getting lawyers into the workplace that much sooner). In that regard, I don't think students going to Lakehead are at a disadvantage if these factors might be relevant to them -such as those going into criminal or family law- which will be the case for a significant amount of lawyers.
  11. I can only speak for Os: Pros Campus is far-enough removed from York degens that you'll forget they exist Great (like, really great) variety of clinical/Intensive offerings Many networking events for Toronto firms It'S iN ToRoNtO The subway goes there now Cons Only us Osgoode folk believe it's actually in Toronto Larger class size (I guess this would be a pro if you like people) The subway goes there now (and takes for fucking ever) Tuition cost
  12. BQ; not the hero we deserve, but the hero we need. 😁
  13. More like "writing boring papers on artificial centrism = C", but you seem pretty intent on your view (despite any evidence to support it)
  14. How many years of work experience outside post-secondary? If you qualify for mature consideration + life circumstances and indigenous category I think you would have an excellent chance at admission.
  15. I guess the real question is whether you would feel confident that if someone in charge of interviewing you saw these postings and brought them up, that you would be able to present and discuss them in a positive light. If not, what can be done about their publicity? I mean, if you competed in these matters I'm sure you felt a sense of pride in them. Unless it's an exercise in white supremacy, it can't be that hard to spin as something you were passionate about?
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