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  1. Fair enough. My point is still that while it's more likely than not that a person misses out on Big Law, I suspect that a fair number of students end up in Big Law nonetheless. That being said, I agree with your overall message (just felt like it was important to clarify that one point) that people should do their due diligence before deciding if they want to practice law.
  2. Don't more than 25% of students at most schools land a Big Law job? (Source that somewhat proves this point: http://ultravires.ca/2019/12/toronto-summer-2020-2l-recruit-numbers/)
  3. OMG, I had the exact thought when I was writing my comment, but I was generous and thought "if TTC screwed me about ten times in the past year, would I classify that as a frequent occurrence or a sometimes type of deal?". I've edited my post.
  4. You'll be fine. Prior legal experience is not a requirement for success at law school/recruits. You can apply for a clinic during 1L, but don't get your hopes up (they are competitive). If you strike out, don't worry (although I won't lie and say that I did not feel bummed when it seemed like everyone was doing a cool EC, but not me). If you really want to make productive use of your summer, I recommend searching up lawyers whose work interests you and asking for a 15-30 minute phone conversation to talk about their experience. These might come in handy once recruitment starts, but more importantly, it gives you a glimpse of what legal profession is like. I didn't go crazy on ECs in my first year, and this was in part because I got rejected from the initial ECs I applied to earlier in the year. It worked out though because I think it helped ease the transition to law school (I was then able to take on more ECs during second semester, after feeling very comfortable with my first semester grades). How many ECs should you take? I really do think it's up to you and it's not really a make of break (unless you end up taking too much to the point that it detracts from preparing for your finals - which I think should be happening well before the final exam). I will still lowkey judge students/peers who overload themselves on ECs, but that may partly because I'm still salty from not getting a 1L clinical position haha. 1) You don't have a say on your 1L class schedule. I commuted to campus as well and I did not mind. Just be aware that TTC breaks down sometimes. 2) Law school is easy to pass, but hard to get an A in. While there were moments in which I was busting my butt off (esp during finals/when a paper was due), I personally felt like I was able to time manage 1L relatively well (the nights were exhausting, but I think I got less sleep during undergrad). However, my grades were all over the place (both in the low and high ends), so I'm not really an authority haha. Was the material difficult? Yes. There were times when I would just read cases and have no clue what I was reading, but it's usually not a make of break sort of thing because there would be upper year notes summarizing concepts in a comprehensible manner.
  5. @prospective, which dls section were you enrolled in? What are the reps of the different DLS sections? I'm assuming something like crim/fam would be solid, whereas university affairs would be neglected?
  6. I ranked advanced contracts, so it's an option (I wonder if I can do a research paper on marriage contracts, that would be interesting)! Unfortunately, I didn't rank it too high, so I might not get it (no big deal though, I like all my possible clsss schedules that Cognomos gave so maybe it's win-win?). I would also love to do trial ad and DLS, but I'll save them for 3L! Thanks for the reccs!
  7. @Glaedr Are you able to estimate the average salaries between different practice areas, controlling for year of call?
  8. The law also changes across jurisdictions, so textbooks are not standardized in that regard. Profs at TRU may use a textbook with relatively more BC case law, while profs at U of A may use a textbook with relatively more AB case law. However, maybe with something like Criminal law (where the law is governed by a common code across Canada and there is a lot of binding SCC cases across jursidictions - you'll learn about vertical stare decisis in 1L), you can buy Roach's textbook and you'll probably be safe. EDIT: I agree with @BlockedQuebecois' response below.
  9. Conversely, I feel like my ambition decreased after I got into law school, in particular after striking out of the 1L recruit. Just like many law students, I am goal-oriented and naturally was swept into the whole mentality of applying to the biggest law firms that were hiring in 1L. I guess it stemmed from not "losing steam" since high school - everything was "go, go, go" and I never really had a big enough failure/rejection that made me take stock of my intentions. Constant success is like a train that keeps going, with new tracks laid down with every new opportunity acquired (where is the train going? I don't know, but my shiny train is going faster and further than my peers, so I must be doing something right). I definitely had severe tunnel vision during the 1L recruit and getting those post-interview rejections felt like reaching the end of the tunnel and being kicked off the train that I was so used to. However, it also felt like getting kicked onto an open field. Sure, I can try to get back on the train again next year (hopefully with a clearer understanding as to why I am on the train), but I also now realize that there is no harm in staying out in the field for a while, even if it's off-track, to see what other paths are out there. I might even smell some roses for a change.
  10. I believe this. A similar thing happened to me (not during a 1L interview though). I would not necessarily say that the tone of questioning was hostile, but it made me realize that some lawyers will definitely be grilling me harder because of the school I come from.
  11. When you say want to go into malpractice, do you mean you aspire to argue medical malpractice or professional negligence cases? If so, those cases fall under insurance/civil litigation and I'm not sure if there is any specific law school that is considered "the best school" for aspiring litigators. Maybe UOttawa since they apparently have a really great mooting program? But it's not like you can't become a competitive candidate if you attend another law school.
  12. This is actually really interesting. Do you know if the numbers are similar for 2Ls/3Ls? My blind guess is that a larger proportion of upper years are willing to remain at home (though I would not be surprised if the majority still prefer in-person). The reasoning is that 0Ls/1Ls are super keen to start law school and be on campus, while seniors are less so. @ChiasticWalrus I'm not a Queen's student (I'm an incoming 2L at another ON school), but a reason why I opted to take online classes was because if there is a second wave, everything will move online anyways. I've experienced both in-person and remote law school classes, did the cost-benefit analysis, and felt more comfortable staying with my parents. In some regards, I saw the option of taking classes online and staying at home as an opportunity I should not pass up (for both health and financial reasons). In terms of being (academically) disadvantaged, studying in law school is such an independent process (i.e. learning how to read, analyze, and apply case law is something you learn by yourself) that as long as you keep up with (most of) your readings, obtain/create good outlines, read Getting to Maybe before finals, give yourself enough time to do practice questions and analyze sample answers (I found it really helpful to do practice finals with classmates and discuss our answers - these can be done online), I don't think you will be at a disadvantage. In-person lectures are great because you can have interesting class discussions, but based on my first semester of law school, there was no correlation between how engaging a class was and the grade I got for that class.
  13. Organic chemistry was what killed my medical school aspirations in high school (I was also in an advanced academic program in high school so it wasn't normie-level organic chemistry haha). And then I took a biology weeder course in undergrad as an elective (I was dumb) and ended up dropping out of the course. Bio is the worst. Also, I disagree with the person who said proof courses are easy. Sure, a class with a lazy prof who does not modify exam questions and expects the same proofs (i.e. a class in which memorization alone will yield good marks) would be easy, but that's not representative of a decent proof class (or I hope it's not). A decent proof class that challenges students to use axioms to prove or disprove mathematical statements can be very challenging. I admit though that there are some people who naturally have a mathematical mind and for these people, math courses are the path of least resistance to a 4.0 - but this is not something unique to math.
  14. I always had a hunch that my parents should have stopped at child #2 /s.
  15. I am going to necro this thread because the course list has finally been updated and I'm now able to plan my schedule. I'm interested in family law/civil litigation and sort of have an idea of what courses I should take, though I am very open to suggestions from family law practitioners. I would also appreciate if anyone has any comments about certain classes/profs. Thanks!
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