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  1. Well, for whatever it's worth, coming here was a good first step. Not just to express the problem, but as a solution to the problem. Browsing around this site regularly is a pretty fair approximation of all the same law school related crap you'd otherwise hear in the halls. Even when I was in law school, I think I learned what CANS were due to LS.ca and not through any classmate. I know that isn't everything you're worried about, but it's a start.
  2. I've been told on this forum ever since I started participating here that technology would come along and change the way I do my job as a lawyer. I've literally be told that since before I even was a lawyer. In 2021, Crowns' offices are still trying to figure out a reliable way to get me disclosure over the Internet instead of handing it across a counter or sending it by courier. Remote court appearances are reality right now, but it took a pandemic to make that happen and it isn't clear it's going to continue. And I still need a fax number. There are conveniences, sure. The ability to cut-and-paste sure helps, and search functions in documents and folders. But the idea that technology is going to fundamentally change the nature of my work? I'll be long retired before I even begin to worry about it.
  3. Umm, not to be ridiculous about this, but the obvious questions that matter to everyone are questions they are going to answer anyway. So asking this as a general query is a waste of your time and everyone's who tries to give you a general answer. What you should try to think about are things that matter especially to you but which might seem less important to other people.
  4. Highly debatable. I've done it, but it's been called into question by the Court, and I'd have to call it deep gray at best. Set dates get a bit of a pass because it's relatively pro forma. I'd never even try it at a bail hearing, and I don't know anyone who would.
  5. Please remember, everyone, that regulation of the legal profession is in the hands of provincial law societies and their rules DO differ in important regards. The NCA process is national. It's right there in the name. But rules about how article works, etc, are provincial. Also, for whatever it's worth, the idea of temporary "summer" articles is very foreign to my experience in Ontario.
  6. Based on the OP's timeline this makes sense, but be aware it's dated information. Bond had an exemption with the NCA worked out for a while, if applicants completed all the Canadian requirements within their program. That's been over with for some years now. Just FYI.
  7. Considering the obvious downsides to pursuing a foreign law degree, I'm skeptical of anyone who went that route and can't find even a single negative thing to say about it. I mean, I'm not opposed to a balanced view, but if you're going to offer one I'd expect you would at least be able to acknowledge the challenges and issues associated with that. Also, it tweaks me at least a little that something extraordinarily rare happened to the OP (getting fired from articles) but somehow this has nothing to do with the OP (it was just "dirty politics") or their route through law school. I mean, even if it really was just a terrible, unscrupulous employer, you don't think coming into the legal profession through a route offering fewer options might have contributed to ending up with a terrible, unscrupulous employer? Anyway, I have no issue with sharing success stories. Certainly they exist, and I'm aware of them. I've worked with lawyers in my field who are foreign graduates and are "successful" as entrepreneurs despite being, quite honestly, shitty lawyers And I've worked with foreign-trained lawyers in my field who are success in the sense that they are genuinely good lawyers. Though as I've observed elsewhere, the correlation between being successful in sole practice as an entrepreneur, and being successful in sole practice in the sense of being good at lawyering, is shockingly weak. Not much else to add. I have no reason to believe this successful story is less than genuine. But it also isn't an example I'd advise any law school applicant to base their decisions on.
  8. The OP is getting a flood of good advice, and deservedly so. I don't have much to add here, except that whatever you may be worried about regarding your present situation, you've got one big advantage going for you in that you are are simply ready to admit you're afraid, confused about your path forward, may have made a mistake (takes more time to be sure, in hindsight) and need help figuring this all out. I know foreign law grads get bashed here a lot, and I'm often considered one of the harsher critics on that topic. But that's because most of the posts from those students start from their absolute belief that they're awesome, and they've found a trick to get into the legal profession faster, easier, while lying on a beach, without writing the LSAT, whatever. And I don't mean to recreate that often contentious debate, I'm just saying it's the attitude that pisses me off, and not the topic. Humility is an underrated asset. Unless and until you know you have a problem, you can't ask for help or accept guidance. I agree that most of the issue here is that you're 20. And yeah, frankly, I'd recommend to most students wondering about their path forward that they shouldn't be on the verge of entering any highly trained profession like law at this age, mainly because most people are still pretty fucked up at 20. I don't know if law "needs" to be a second-entry program. I'm sure if you're coming from the UK you've been exposed to different feelings on that subject. But if nothing else, pushing it back a few years comes with the advantage of creating some maturity, and that's not nothing. You're not badly off, and you've got options, I promise. Humility is very important but don't take it overboard and start beating yourself up too much or turn it into outright panic. Major life decisions and turning points often come with that sense of panic. It's good, because it means you appreciate the importance of the decision you are making. But in hindsight, you may discover looking back you did a lot of things right that you're having trouble feeling good about right now. Anyway, good luck and listen to the good advice you're receiving here from others.
  9. It's all due to the pandemic. It just means "University of Fucking Toronto." But no one wants to quite say that.
  10. You know, you heap a lot of scorn on CP24, for someone who thinks that your undergrad in health sciences qualifies you to direct us to search results on the 38th page of Google to find the buried truth that your personal research has verified. And to ignore, you know, those qualified professionals advising us otherwise. But speaking on behalf of the sheep, too stupid to find the hidden conspiracy behind all the lies, we won't find it hard to live with your disappointment in us.
  11. As it turns out, I was giving the OP too much credit. I thought they were just confused about what sorts of clients and litigation are reasonably deserving of mass pro bono legal representation. Looks like it goes much deeper than that. P.S. The direction to look for videos that are "usually" not available on YouTube is especially gold. Anything that's too crazy to live long on YouTube is a special level of nuts.
  12. I would like to repeat the central them in both my previous posts. Regardless of my personal feelings about Covid-related lockdowns and restrictions, I would agree there are legitimate legal issues here to explore and to litigate. I'm not offended by the politics of the people pushing those issues. Well, not all of them anyway. And even where I am offended by them, it isn't remotely so much that I believe they don't deserve to retain and hire the best lawyers available. I mean, you do realize some of my clients are child molesters right? If you think my position here is based solely in what I think about the clients at hand, you aren't engaging your brain to appreciate my real point. With very few exceptions I can think of, and restriction-opposing litigant is going to be extremely privileged, relative to the basket of causes out there in the community. I've encountered many hypothetical examples of under-privileged people who might be oppressed by Covid restrictions. But I've yet to see a real example where there's litigation underway and common sense hasn't asserted itself in the form of someone's discretion. So what we're really talking about are businesses (i.e. commercial litigants), international travelers (i.e. people with money), people trying to make a point for the political causes (i.e. people with money and connections), etc. It isn't that this is a pet cause of privileged conservative assholes. I can think of opposite examples that might be the pet causes of privileged liberal assholes. (Actually this is mostly on the liberation/authoritarian axis, but whatever). The issue is the suggestion that this is the cause that should so collectively inflame the legal community that we should organize en masse to provide free legal representation to fight it. And I do, and always will, find that suggestion to be hilarious, tone deaf, and itself immensely privileged.
  13. There is no question that very reputable lawyers are working on these issues. And I do not for a second suggest that this reflects to their discredit in any way. But I'm also quite sure they are getting paid. If douchebag with his BBQ stand wants to tell the health authorities to go fuck themselves, get himself ticketed and/or charged, and then he wants to hire representation to fight it he absolutely is entitled to do so. Hell, I'll work for him myself. But I'm sure as fuck not giving him a discount. The scorn here is related to the idea that these causes should attract the pro bono support of the legal community as a whole. And I believe that scorn is absolutely deserved. For me, this isn't even a Covid-related issue. Covid is just the latest and greatest iteration of this. I represent clients from across the spectrum. Some have nice homes, good jobs, and resources. Some are homeless and mentally ill. And it always pisses me off - it always pisses me off - when some otherwise privileged mother fucker has gotten himself charged with dangerous driving or something and he's so incensed at the injustice of it all that he feels automatically entitled to legal representation either for cheap or for free because his cause is so obviously righteous. And I'm thinking about that homeless mentally ill client the entire time and the more that asshole keeps talking about how I should care so much about the terrible injustice done to him the more I'm adding to the quote I'm going to give. Litigants fighting Covid restrictions and the consequences of breaking them deserve the best lawyers they are willing to hire and pay for. And there are issues here worth litigating. But they sure as fuck don't deserve my charity, and I'll mock anyone - law student, lawyer, or otherwise - who thinks they do.
  14. You know, there are lawyers who volunteer their time and who work unpaid on many causes that they care passionately about. And whether I agree with their causes and goals, I respect those lawyers. There are also lawyers who treat legal advocacy as a job, and only work when someone is paying for their work as a lawyer. Provided they are decent human beings otherwise, I also respect that choice. I have no fucking time in the world, or respect for, lawyers who suddenly decided that now is the time for a massive drive towards pro bono advocacy for the poor and downtrodden, oppressed by working from home and being told to wear masks in Costco. You're entitled to whatever opinions you have, stupid or otherwise. But there are Indigenous communities in Ontario that haven't had clean drinking water in a generation. And THIS is what you expect the legal community to rally around and provide pro bono advocacy towards? Because some douchebag with a BBQ stand thinks Covid is all a plot hatched by pedophile satanists and he's going to fight the power by letting people eat indoors instead of serving them sandwiches to go? Yeah. No.
  15. Attending U of T and doing well there may convey certain information, certainly, and perhaps some of that information could be termed "prestige." I think the term is a little silly and ridiculous, but whatever. Leaving aside however hard it actually is to get into U of T as an undergrad (and it really isn't that hard), attending U of T and not doing well there really only indicates that you did well in high school. You may think we're all big meanies for telling you things you don't want to hear. But trust me when I say this. You won't be able to get by for much longer in life hoping to be treated like you are obviously smart, special, and talented only because you did well in high school. You're really going to have to produce more recent accomplishments than that if you want other people to keep validating your high opinion of yourself.
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