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  1. Diplock

    Here is My Situation... (3.01, 3.5, 149)

    Neither of you are doing yourselves any favors, in this pissing contest. If you really think you've made some kind of point here, you might want to think about what it is. Do you really believe that you are more able to practice law than the next guy, because while he may be good at logical reasoning you somehow have a better character? Even if true, you need to check your assumptions. This goes to a point I'm making about what you'll face in the employment market. Despite what you may believe, really really really wanting to be a lawyer is not a job qualification. Even perseverance, on its own, is not a valuable asset in an employee. If you work twice as hard as the next person, but the task comes easily to them and not at all for you, and they get it done to the required standard while you do not, no one is ever going to care that you worked twice as hard. Law is not a profession that rewards effort on its own. Only results matter, in the end. That's true whether you work for someone else or whether you work for your own clients.
  2. Diplock

    Here is My Situation... (3.01, 3.5, 149)

    There isn't much left to say that hasn't been said already. I won't harp on the LSAT. Frankly, I think folks who are focusing on that at this stage are misplacing their attention. If you've spent two years on this and have written it six times, let's call 149 your best score and focus on what happens next. You aren't likely to get into any Canadian law school. "Impossible" is a strong word, but it's unlikely. You're right to imagine the Windosr dual is your best hope. If you somehow squeak in there, I'd jump at it. Otherwise, if you are forced to consider foreign law schools, then go ahead and consider them. Where you lose me is on your insistence that attending a foreign law school is just "another way" to become a lawyer. I could slather on the analogies here, but the bottom line is that in your focus to just get over the hurdle you're currently facing, you aren't seeing what happens next. You attend a foreign law school, your write the NCA exams (which are time and effort and expense, but aren't what's going to stop you) and then ... what? Unless you can convince someone to hire you as an articling student and then as an associate, or unless you can actually employ yourself (a separate topic, which we can approach if you like) then you aren't a lawyer in any meaningful sense. You're just someone who went to law school. So if you're going to focus on the foreign route, at least look at the real problem. What do you imagine you offer to any Canadian employer as a possible candidate, over and above your apparent unwillingness to ever say "die?" Which, btw, is not nothing as a qualification, but it's still not a lot by itself. What sort of career do you imagine you're going to have, other than "being" a lawyer and figuring it out from there? You will get into a foreign law school. Just like the foreign students spilling into our undergraduate programs. And remember, in the UK law school is a first-entry undergraduate program. How hard do you think it really is to get into U of T as a foreign undergrad applicant? Promise to pay their outrageous foreign tuition, and you'll have a spot. It's what comes after that you need to worry about. And if you want meaningful advice, that's what you should be focused on at this point, before you commit to this path.
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    Burnout in the profession

    I have a theory that students have, at most, one really good and formative educational experience in their lives. Some students peak in high school. Some have great experiences in undergrad. Some really find themselves in law school. I actually share your experience entirely. Things came together for me spectacularly in undergrad, for reasons very specific to my own life and which wouldn't be relevant to anyone else. But after that, law school was just something I had to get through in order to do what I wanted to from then on. I didn't hate it. But I didn't love it either. And yes, the clinics, hands-on experiences, etc. are what saved it for me. Note, the theory above isn't really a firmly held opinion so much as a pet rule-of-thumb. I'm sure there are exceptions. But I guess my point is this. If we're thinking in terms of "stages of life" and how well you manage during each one, there are things you'll really love and there are things which, much as I hate to admit it, sometimes you just need to get through. Not that I encourage anyone to suffer in misery. But if what you're feeling isn't so much misery as it is "I don't think I want to do this for the rest of my life" then it's reasonable to take heart that the next stage can and should be different. Of course you have to take agency in making it different also. But I don't really believe that legal practice is some kind of extension of law school. To me, the two are very different indeed.
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    Changing Articling

    I'm not quite as virulent on this topic as I once was, but I would strongly urge the OP (and anyone else presuming to advise the OP - especially those without a history in this profession) to remember that the articling relationship is not an ordinary job. This is true both in terms of the articling candidate's rights and obligations, and the employer's rights and obligations. I took a glance at the OP's history. They graduated in April of last year and only found articles recently. Not long ago they were looking for anything at all, I'm sure. And while a PI firm offering low pay isn't ideal (I can't even fault them for the commute - that's on you for applying there) they at least were willing to pick up a student in the off season and it's still paid. It could be a lot worse. And so far I'm seeing nothing that goes to any dissatisfaction in the actual articling relationship - no issues with supervision, learning experience, etc. My biggest concern is this. Does your new proposed employer know that you are already doing articles elsewhere? If no, you have a problem, and you should probably come clean with them. Because lying your way through this profession is a bad, bad idea. If yes, you may have an even bigger problem. And that's simply because it is almost inconceivably bad form to hire an articling student who is already employed. That isn't to say it can't be done with appropriate caution. But I can barely imagine another firm saying "this person has articles elsewhere, but we'll just offer them a job and see what they do." My point being, if that's what they are doing you probably don't want to work there anyway. It's a little like hooking up with the guy who's cheating on his wife and his existing mistress to be with you. You gotta ask yourself - even if you end up with him, what do you expect in the future? I won't say you need to stay where you are right now. But talk with them honestly about it. A month ago you would have killed for articles anywhere. Maybe this isn't the best time to immediately burn the only bridge anyone has extended to you.
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    Changing Articling

    I respect a range of opinions on this subject, but whatever anyone tends to think, it's important to be aware that the articling relationship is a special thing, and it implies obligations on both sides that go beyond ordinary employment. Talking about bailing on articles two weeks in is just different from leaving a new associate position two weeks in. They just aren't the same thing.
  6. Diplock

    In need of advice. To be or not to be?

    Let's start with this. Law school is not a career, and it's not an alternative to the working life you have at present. It's three years of interlude between now and some other career, which is as yet undefined. Can you describe, at all, what you would like your career as a lawyer to look like? Do you have any idea what you would want to do, other than "be" a lawyer? if you're able to answer that question, it will provide a lot more context to the answers you'll receive.
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    Is it recoverable

    You know, this isn't meant as a poke at this particular poster. But it occurs to me, one of the central problems associated with these "I just thought about law school" posts is this. So many students seem to think that law school is something you consider when you are failing at your current academic path. In fact, law school is something you consider when you're succeeding, and want to take it in a new direction. @OP - Even if you choose to believe you can easiy \et grades in the 80-90% range just by applying more than minimal effort, your major problem is that you don't like what you're learning. It takes extraordinary focus (on a level I don't have myself, btw) to intensely focus on something you don't even like for years, just to achieve some goal that come at the end of it. Please, consider pursuing something you like. Whether or not law school comes after, it's by far the better option.
  8. I'd be cautious about believing claims from someone currently in the program. All they know is what they've been told or subtly led to believe by the school itself. Show me someone this actually worked for and I'll pay attention. Until that happens, I'm more inclined to believe that your friend is in for a nasty surprise when he actually applies to the NCA.
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    Is it recoverable

    I would agree that if you somehow transform yourself into an entirely different student, your present situation is not beyond recovery. But I would really add three major cautions: 1. Grades matter in every field, if for no other reason than because knowledge and competency matters in every field. Whoever you are listening to that's promising otherwise is a fool. Do you really think anyone wants an incompetent engineer building their bridge? You are telling yourself it doesn't matter in the real world. Well, how well did that work between high school and university? If it was so easy do learn what you need and do what you need when it really matters, you'd be doing it already. 2. No debating club, model UN, or pre-law society is going to make up for weak grades and LSAT. You'll find many students involved with these activities who somehow think that becoming President of the model UN will get them into law school. You won't find any students in law school for whom that actually worked out. 3. As an extension of the above - start working hard, now, not based on any guarantee but because you bloody well should. The idea that being lazy and not achieving much is your default, until and unless someone promises you that X amount of hard work will get you Y (and then only doing X and no more) ... that's not a formula for success in life. There are no guarantees, but there are also no shortcuts. Just do what you have to do. Get the grades, get the LSAT, and come back and ask where you stand then. Good luck.
  10. Diplock

    I want to die

    I appreciate Hegdis' take on this. And part of the whole "I'm not a professional" thing is that I may not respond ideally even here. I don't want to suggest you should stop seeking help here if here is where you feel most comfortable. But yeah, there are obvious limitations to what kind of help you'll get on this site. Whatever you do, please don't brush this off. I hope you feel a bit better soon. But once you do you should use some of that energy to take care of yourself in a longer-term sense.
  11. Diplock

    I want to die

    Death is bad and lasts a very long time. Take advantage of the outrageous ancillary fees you are paying at wherever you are, and see a crisis counselor immediately. It's good you're asking for help. Here, or anywhere, seeking help is a start. But what you need is professional help, rather than off-the-cuff ideas from people on the Internet. Seriously. Go now. Everything else can wait.
  12. Law schools aren't angsty teens who are bitter when they get turned down. They just want the strongest class of students they can get. If someone previously turned them down but is still an applicant who would make this year's class stronger, they'll get an offer. So anyone who got in previously is at least reasonably likely to get in again in the future. Someone who just barely scraped in...I'd be worried about getting edged out in the future by a slightly stronger applicant pool. But it's not at all unreasonable to be fairly confident at least.
  13. Diplock

    LSO Referral Service

    I might recommend this service to a sole practitioner just starting out, based on the view that staying busy doing anything is better than being idle, and as long as you make some money at it the fees are minimal and quickly covered. But if you're already in a firm environment, I would really recommend against it, at least unless/until you discuss it with the partners. I'm sure they have their own opinions about to bring in business and what kind of business you want. And it's definitely the case that you'll waste a lot of time on these calls.
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    Nature of the undergrad degree

    Well, put it this way. I can and do deny the additional rigor of those disciplines. Which means you've already introduced one false assumption into your reasoning. I will concede that different disciplines are rigorous in different ways. But ultimately, for law schools to give additional credit to one vs. another, you'd have to believe there is some kind of greater overall demonstration of ability in one vs. another. And I do deny that. I'll also say that if you were better trained in liberal arts style "rigor" you'd have seen this one coming.
  15. I'm all for looking for subtext, but the main subtext I see here is that your "friend" clearly has anxiety issues, and this may be one of the reasons she's not yet employed. Someone in a position to help you has expressed an interest in your career and suggested meeting for lunch? What's to think about - meet them for lunch and see where it goes. And absolutely, mention the fact that you still need articles, because it's January and any lawyer at all will appreciate why that has become a pressing topic in your life. The conversation from that point pretty much steers itself. It's not that there's anything really wrong with asking this question, but at this point it's sort of like asking "Tommy asked me to meet him at recess - do you think that means he likes me?" and asking it five times between now and recess. Just go, and find out. Hopefully it leads to something. But asking your friend to ask other people about it is just ... strange. Anyway, good luck.