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  1. You should definitely re-take the LSAT. If you get a 160, you're competitive at many schools. With a 150, you'd have an uphill battle to even get one acceptance (your best chance is perhaps Ottawa as they value GPA significantly more than LSAT, but with a 150 nothing is guaranteed).

  2. On 10/21/2020 at 2:28 PM, JonSnow95 said:

    how many interviews do you think a Firm conducts for 1-2 spots? Especially considering all or most interviews happen in the first day and a half with the rest of the time reserved for second and third interviews? Assume the Firm is mid size-Large. 

    I've heard a thumb rule that it is about ten interviewees for every spot, but it really depends on the firm and their hiring practices.

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  3. 21 minutes ago, JusticeLordDenning said:

    Shouldn't the school be a factor as well? I noticed Talos and easttowest went to Windsor and Ottawa, respectively, so if a student went to one of the schools that does better in the recruit (Queens, Western, Osgoode) with a B+ average, wouldn't they get more OCIs?  

    Yes, all things equal, a B+ average at Osgoode will get you more OCIs than a B+ average at Ottawa. That said, all Ontario schools place students on Bay St and at this stage there's nothing you can do in that respect, so do your best to improve the parts of your application you can improve and your interview skills.

    To answer OP, if you're on dean's list, you'll get a full slate of OCIs. If you have a B+ average you'll have quite a few but probably not a full slate - anecdotally from people I've spoken to, they've typically had between 8-12 OCIs. If your average is a B then you'll likely get a few but not many. If your cover letters are really good and targeted, you may be able to get upward of 8 or so interviews even with a B. Of course, if you have valuable educational or professional experience (e.g. you're a CPA and applying to a tax law firm, or a science or engineering PhD applying to an IP law firm), then this will skew the general trend and you'll receive more interviews despite having a lower average.

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  4. 2 hours ago, livitup1233 said:

    No, my transcript has yet to be sent to OLSAS so those were self calculated. Is the OLSAS scale much different? Personal statement is another point of issue for me as I don't have much that stands out I feel like. Again, my EC;s are all psychology oriented because I really was set on doing my masters in psychology. Is a PS about how I went from wanting to pursue psych to law overdone and boring? I'm not sure what angle to go about it

    Use this conversion table and come back here with your GPA and L2: https://www.ouac.on.ca/guide/olsas-conversion-table/

    Yes, it can have a profound effect. For some people it's beneficial, but most take a hit. The extent of the hit depends on how much of an impact the scale has on your actual grades - for every person it's different.

    They don't expect ECs to be law-related and your personal statement does not need to highlight activities related to the law - but it should explain why you're interested in pursuing a legal education and career as a legal professional.

    It's only overdone and boring if you make it so. Make it interesting and unique. Tell stories in your life that relate to your experiences and your interest in the law. Talk about your accomplishments, passions, and hard work. Just don't overdo it and make it sound like the US personal statements that sound like a fairy tale. Hope this helps.

  5. You're in a good position for both with your stats as they are now (is the GPA converted to the OLSAS scale?). A 3.7 L2 is around the median at both schools, with your LSAT score being higher than the median. I don't think you need to rewrite to get in, but if you're scoring higher than your previous score it doesn't hurt to have. Write a good personal statement. Good luck.

  6. 2 hours ago, Jaggers said:

    I am very well paid, and don't mind working evenings and weekends if there is good reason for it. What drove me nuts was when it was a result of a fake emergency or because of poor planning or just a lack of respect for people's need for downtime.

    I have one file right now where the partner working on it regularly sends emails in the middle of the night and on weekends. I assume that when that person is working on my file at those hours I am not getting the quality of work I'm paying for, and I won't likely send any more files their way. I'll send work to people who are actually on top of their workload, not regularly chasing it down late at night.

    Perhaps they work better at night and on weekends? Everyone has their own preferences for how to work. During the day they may spend more time with their kids, etc.

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  7. 3 hours ago, capitalttruth said:

    For me, it's the day in and day out of school without knowing where I stand. I believe I understand the material, but at this point there's simply no way of knowing if I'm getting better at issue spotting and developing a knowledge of the law at all. I do all the readings, go to class, participate, consolidate and update my summary weekly, even do a supplementary reading here and there if I have time. However, I don't know if what I'm doing will amount to anything. None of my profs have uploaded any practice problems yet and I can't seem to find any older exams from my profs so one of the major elements of my strategy for this semester has been truncated. 

    It's weird not knowing whether you're a below average, average, or above average student. In undergrad/grad school I was able to tell more easily where I stood in comparison to my peers, here it is much more difficult to determine - everyone seems capable and competent. I guess I'll find out in time.

    This will become a lot clearer after first semester exams. Nearly everyone changes their strategy going into second semester. For the most part, people typically do way too much and realize doing their 120 page constitutional readings every single class did not materialize into much on the exam. On the other hand, you'll find that some of your habits did contribute to a better exam answer and you will focus more on those. Unfortunately, it's not a one-size-fits-all approach so there isn't really a magic formula to this. Some people will find doing detailed readings more helpful in building their understanding, while others will find that spending more time synthesizing the information and doing practice tests/hypotheticals is more important. To each their own.

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  8. In 1L, focus on your courses and do as well as you can in them. Those grades will greatly influence your career prospects. Also, it's quality, not quantity when it comes to 1L education. You're essentially setting up your foundation - you want to take your time and get it right, not take shortcuts.

    In future years, if you're genuinely eager about learning more areas of law, I've found that the best way is to get a decent summary about said area of law and read it. It'll have all the important information about that area of law, and if you're interested in learning more about certain aspects of that area of law, you can always read a part of a treatise.

  9. If they're taken during your full course load, then my prediction is they will take it into consideration, even if it's not necessary to graduate. Though, this really only makes sense if you are able to do really well on all your graded courses during the semester/year. If taking these extra courses will hinder your ability to get an A+ in your other courses, I wouldn't do it. The benefits may be outweighed by the disadvantages at that point.

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  10. 2 hours ago, samIams said:

    Have any schools confirmed there will be online options for the full year, even if classes return to in-person in January?

    It would be nice to let students solidify where they will be living for the year before classes start. Looking for accommodations in December while balancing exams, papers and the holidays sounds like the makings of a catastrophic Christmas!

    Western is online for the full year for upper years, with the exception of a few courses.

  11. 11 hours ago, adVenture said:

    The practice of law is a business and not just academic; there are important soft skills that contribute to someone's success, the big one being your interpersonal and networking skills. Reference letters and references are one way for a firm to get more than a snap shot of your personality and whether you are extroverted or confident enough to be a lawyer who can generate business and be pleasant to work with generally. Form letters from professors are good enough to check application boxes, but I've personally gotten positions upon the strength of references who were willing to aggressively advocate on my behalf. 

    A ten minute phone call will do a lot better than a reference letter ever will if this is the concern.

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  12. To get this thread back on track, to those who don't want to work for the government but want work-life balance, there are many opportunities once you are a few years out. Many lawyers I know spend a few years in private practice in order to get excellent in-house opportunities, which have far better hours in private practice. You'll take a pay cut, but usually not a huge one (the only real issue comp-wise is long-term, in the sense that your salary won't increase nearly as much as your salary would if you made partner and stayed in private practice). The hours are often really good. Anecdotally speaking, the lawyers I know of that moved in-house have 9-5 jobs and also either flex days, shorter Fridays, WFH days, etc.

    If you stay in private practice, you'll never get a true "9-5" because of the nature of client demands (in a big city). But many lawyers (particularly on the, somewhat, more senior side) are able to structure their day to integrate time with family and away from work. You may have one week where you're working really long hours because you're closing a transaction, but then the next week you'll only have three hour workdays.

  13. Good grades absolutely do not bar you from receiving employment in private practice -- in fact, they do quite the opposite. I had straight A's in 1L and nearly every firm I applied to was interested in interviewing me. And this continued throughout the process (I even had several compliments about my grades during in-firms).

    The only "negative" impact it had is on few smaller/mid-sized firms, which declined to interview me because my grades were very high and they didn't want to spend their resources pursuing me when they knew I would likely end up at a large firm.

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  14. Get at least a 160 and you should have a good shot at Western/Queens, as others have mentioned. If you want more security, or want to attend other schools, you'll need a higher score. If you're only a few weeks out and hitting mid to high 150s, I wouldn't stop when you hit 160. Study hard for a few months and that higher LSAT score will pay dividends.

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  15. 6 hours ago, BlockedQuebecois said:

    Since everyone has already has piled on OP’s post, I’ll answer the actual question: of course appearance matters.

    There are tons of studies showing that attractive people get job offers more frequently, earn promotions more quickly, and make more money than similarly situated unattractive people. Anybody who suggests that appearance is unimportant in the job market is simply wrong. 

    This is accurate, undeniably so, but there are plenty of very successful ugly lawyers, so if you're genuinely worried that your appearance will hinder your chances of becoming a successful lawyer, don't be.

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  16. On 6/5/2020 at 12:02 PM, RJar said:

    Through the forum I also read a lot of comments of people saying they had to go "find" new clients. I am a very reserved person, and the idea of me going out and actively contacting strangers to see if they need legal help terrifies me (My apologies if this is not how it actually works, any insight would be great). For reference I do well in social settings, and have never had a problem socializing at work with people, I just don't enjoy doing it. But this brings me to my second question

    2. Will I survive as a lawyer if I am not extremely social? 

    #1: That is not the case at large or mid-sized firms during the first few years of your career (at minimum). Even for smaller firms, where you may feel that pressure, you probably would not need to bring in business until you're at least called.

    #2: You certainly don't need to be extremely social, but you do need basic interpersonal skills. It's not a high bar; as long as you can carry a conversation you will be fine.

  17. On 6/3/2020 at 11:51 PM, croc said:

    I am aiming for a 92% average (I don’t know how canadian gpa will show up on American applications) and am aware of the generous 80% marking curve at Ivey.

    You should also know that the Ivey curve is very tight. There is no chance you will get a 92% average at Ivey, whereas in BMOS you might be able to. The best students at Ivey receive about an 86%. Most students range from 77-83% based on my understanding from friends in Ivey.

    Ivey won't help in the law school admission process (the only exception being U of T which does consider the difficulty of the undergraduate program you were in). However, as others have mentioned, it may serve as an excellent backup to law should you not get into law school or change your mind, and if you do end up in law, it'll likely help in the recruit (though I don't imagine by a landslide as it is not an MBA).

  18. 14 minutes ago, purpletriangle said:

    Those students would know in advance, that if they select that class, it would be in person, and the only class they would have in person. It would be clear in the course description.

    But then it leads to people who are interested in the class but not in London (or at high risk) not being able to take it.

  19. 6 hours ago, SME1010 said:

    With many 2L summer jobs having been pushed back until June, many students are gearing up to begin their summer positions soon.

    I was wondering what advice those of you that have already had a summer 2L position can give to students that are beginning work next month? For many of us it will be our first times working in a law firm. Any advice specifically for Bay street summer positions would be particularly helpful! 


    Be available and responsive. People will reach out to you and give you work, especially given these circumstances. If you don't have enough work, speak to your mentors / student coordinator or start reaching out to those in your section. Careful not to do that too much, because a lot of work can come in at once and then you'll have to say no to people.

    Use the resources available to you. Your assistant, the library, the research lawyers, student coordinator, professional development team, etc., are all very valuable. If you have a question about anything, don't hesitate to reach out to them. Everyone is more than willing to help - they've been in your shoes. Even if they don't know the answer, they'll guide you in the direction of someone who does.

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  20. 11 hours ago, pzabbythesecond said:

    Yeah. I mean, I'm honestly happy for them to do that. I still think the downside (students not taking midterms seriously and thus that mark being less indicative of true ability than a final) is less than the upside (introducing SOME measure of merit because otherwise, people get by on connections, social etiquette, class privilege, etc).

    Yup, you're not wrong, but I'm just saying that in effect employers will treat that 30% midterm the same as a 100% final, whether or not a warning is placed that it was only a midterm.

    At the same time, the recruit is most likely being postponed to the Winter term, so they may have fall grades by that time which will help in differentiating applicants.

  21. 8 hours ago, pzabbythesecond said:

    I didn't mean for it to be 100 percent, but I see what you mean, since even if schools clearly noted the midterm grade was only x percent, employers would still - in the absence of other grades - treat that as 100 percent of a student's performance.

    Let's be real. Employers would treat it exactly like a final grade, practically speaking.

  22. 4 minutes ago, Pythia said:

    although my experience with this past set of law exams makes me a bit skeptical of the extent to which accommodations that aren’t meritorious will seriously improve marks (QL exams were written to be three hours but we were all given six hours to complete the exams; people seem to have gotten the same sorts of grades which they always got as far as I can tell and I didn’t notice anything particularly aberrant).

    Sure, if everyone got the extra time, then everyone's exam response would improve, and grades would generally stay the same (given it is graded on a curve or average). The issue is when one student gets the accommodation but others don't. In that case, one exam response would improve while the others remain constant. I know I'm always stressed on exam time. Doubling the exam time would certainly make my response better. I think this applies to most people as well.

    At the end of the day, I don't see a good solution to this. If the school scrutinizes accommodation requests too much, then those with disabilities may be denied accommodation which they should have been entitled to. It doesn't help that everyone can get a doctor's note if they want one.

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