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  1. oh not at all, I was definitely not offended by your initial suggestion, that's why I said to please forgive me if I interpreted your message wrong. Thanks for elaborating, it's a lot clearer now where you're getting at. My parents are both quite successful business lawyers and to be honest, they are the ones who pressured me into law because they considered my undergrad program to be worthless. The reason why I don't want to be a lawyer is precisely because I don't want the life they have now. They are both self-employed with their own companies, but work 10+ hours a day, everyday, no weekends, no holidays (though when there's no business they can be quite free). My mother is especially adept at finding new clients and businesses, something that I'm not good at. Hence why I don't favor the prospect of following their footsteps because I don't want to search for my own clients. I prefer just working for someone else but then again, having worked in a firm in the summer, I really disliked the experience (long working hours, lots of stress). I would much rather get a stable and less challenging job that pays a lot less than a well-paying but highly demanding job with poor work-life balance, that's why government jobs came up in mind (I have two summers of experience working for one government agency and really enjoyed the experience, so that left a really good impression of gov't jobs in general). I definitely enjoyed the client service & interaction part of my summer job, and just generally helping people and explaining things. I'm definitely not against the idea of getting called and working as a lawyer, but I think feeling burnt out from law school and the not-so-positive experience at the law firm really negatively impacted my perception of the whole field and made me want to quit without thinking too objectively.
  2. The post above this already answered your questions perfectly, but I'm just gonna throw in my own situation to illustrate things more clearly. I did not know what I wanted to do during undergrad, and I just happened to have awesome grades to get me into one of the best law schools, so I did. Do I regret it? Not really. I still think it's super useful to have a law degree and it's not like we are in the States where getting a law degree will get you half a million in debt (I have zero debt). But did I end up liking law? I don't hate the subject itself, but I really don't think I will enjoy being a regular lawyer at a firm from my summer working experience. So that's why I'm considering what other kind of options I have other than becoming a lawyer. Forgive me if I'm interpreting your message somewhat incorrectly, but it seems weird to me that you are, on the one hand, admonishing people for not doing what they find fulfilling, and on the other hand, mocking at the prospect of finding government jobs when many people would kill to obtain a stable position there. I love my undergrad programs but I'm not naive to believe that it would OK to actually do that. Why government jobs? Because they are stable and offer some decent opportunity to move up the ladder. Sure, the ceiling probably cap pretty low but I would take this over doing a job where I'm miserable or following my passion and likely never even make it to any job.
  3. whoa thank you so much for writing this! I wish this is reddit and I can give you an award
  4. of course, prosecutor was just an example. I was just wondering if there are stuffs that doesn't even involve being a lawyer. What are the options you have in mind though?
  5. What is something you can do with law degree other than becoming a lawyer? I want to work for the government but not something like prosecutor etc. Can anyone currently in this field or have info/resources about this share their experience? Much appreciated!
  6. Thanks everyone for your input and suggestions! Really appreciate all the info!
  7. I graduated from Mcgill Law and I'm in the process of applying for Ontario Lawyer License. Unfortunately I can't say I really enjoyed my study at all unlike my undergrad field that I'm actually passionate about (but the prospect of finding job in that field is quasi non-existent -my fellow friends either went abroad to teach English or doing part-time jobs completely unrelated to the field- which is what made me pursue law instead). I also did not enjoy working in law firm in the summer. So right now I'm seriously questioning my career choice but I at least want to go through the licensing process since I don't want the last 3.5 years to go to waste and just want to get over with it before reexamining my career choices. I was recently informed that lawyers in Ontario could directly apply to become notaries once they've obtained their license. Has anyone been through this? What made you do this and do you enjoy the field more than law? What's the financial prospect like? If it's not so great I'm thinking that I could at least just do it for awhile to earn a living while I search for alternative career, but if it's decent I might just stick to it. Being a notary just seems a lot more passive than being a lawyer. To be honest my personality is not at all suitable for being a lawyer who generally needs to be assertive and dominant, good at socializing etc. I'm much more of a bookish person and I would prefer staying in an office and stamping documents - even though it's a lot less intellectually challenging and stimulating than being a lawyer - than going to court and argue in front of a judge etc (I know that only some lawyers do that but I don't like working in a big law firm either). My personality kinda bars me from getting good articling positions in the big law firms as well so I might just do the Law training program to get over with the LSUC requirement. So yeah...I do regret a bit for carelessly picking a career path that does not fit with my personality at all, but it does seem having the license would open more opportunities, including those that are more compatible with my style. Appreciate your input and suggestions! Thanks for your time!
  8. Yes you're right, apparently the one I saw is just the study materials such as summaries, indices etc, still very helpful nonetheless but I was hoping I could buy the actual materials from last year in advance since I didn't study any of the areas tested in law school except some basic criminal law stuffs and I'm not sure if 5 weeks is sufficient. Thanks.
  9. I'm not sure that the 5-6 weeks of self-study with the materials will be sufficient so I want to purchase old materials from last exam cycle and start familiarizing myself with the materials first. Is this allowed/recommended/helpful at all? Thanks for your inputs.
  10. I just graduated from McGill but I didn't do the OCI or course de stage. I was working pro bono at a legal clinic for two summers because I really enjoyed that kind of experience over working for big firms. I'm doing the QC bar in fall but I guess I didn't plan things out well in advance and now I'm wondering what I should do for the next few months. Are there people who didn't do OCI but still managed to find a job after? What's the path like? Any suggestions? Appreciate your help!
  11. Thanks guys for all the inputs. I realized that the topic has really diverged from my original question, and I'm to be blame for putting too little (or perhaps too much) details in the original post. To be frank, right now all this is hypothetical. I only know that this is what I want to do, but I might have to change my direction due to shifted interest or forced to do it for practical reasons later on. I'm just glad that I don't need to work for the big law firms (not that I have anything against them or anyone aiming to work for them, it just that I'm personally not interested at all in doing that) to be able to do solo practice later.
  12. Yes my bad, just learned the difference between "labor" and "employment" law
  13. A lot of these domestic workers actually aren't protected by union and often has limited legal protection from what I've seen. As for the second point, hum I see that's a valid concern. I guess I haven't really thought things through yet, but good thing I still have sometime before applying and then few years in law school to think things out.
  14. thanks for your honest opinions! I have now realized that I should have left more details in my opening post in order to clear the inevitable confusion people would have about the viability of my career choice, I have now added more details to the original post. Basically, I hope my business on the side (which I don't actually have to spend much time managing!) will help cover the costs associated with my law job. Indeed, I do only intend on working in civil law and not criminal law, and when I said "disadvantaged and marginalized" people, I actually had a particular group in mind (domestic caregiver and maybe expand the audience later to include people like labor migrant etc) which is related to a personal experience I had that made me want to do all this to begin with. What I envisioned was that I would be mostly dealing with civil law issues such as labor disputes, immigration issues, and challenges to government actions/laws that could harm the already very vulnerable group, etc. I might have an overly-simplistic view of all this though since I lack experience in the area and can only make assumptions based on my personal experience so far.
  15. haha thanks for your concern barelylegal. The reason why I want to open my own business is so I can have a flexible schedule since I do have another source of revenue (a business I'm running) which would (hopefully) cover the costs of operating a barely/non-profitable legal office. So that would probably preclude me from working for legal aid on a long-term basis if it means I won't be able to manage my own schedule.
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