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  1. Apply anyway. You’ll have cover letters and your resume prepped that you can use to apply to other jobs. And you never know. There’s no benefit to self selecting out of opportunities you want.
  2. No interviews to report -just frustrated that my Ontario clerking applications will be submitted before I get grades back for last semester. The waiting anxiety is the worst.
  3. Seconding what @albertabean said, as one of the many queer upper years they know, lol. I have never had issues as a queer student at UofT. There are many of us and our Out in Law (OIL) chapter is quite strong from what I’ve seen, though I’m not an executive member. It may be of interest to you that OIL runs a mentorship program connecting 1Ls to both upper years and alumni. I know 0 about Osgoode’s chapter but I’m sure it’s also strong. I can’t speak to being Black at UofT Law, but other posters have correctly pointed out that there aren’t many Black students. Osgoode is doing far better on that front. I’m hopeful that that will change with the Black Future Lawyers program, but only time will tell. Although others have already offered, I’m also happy to connect you to Black students. Even a queer Black woman if you want to talk to someone in a similar position. Feel free to PM. On class sizes: UofT has a “small group” system for first year where one of your core courses in first semester (used to be full year) is a seminar with around 15-20 other people. These people are also in all of your other classes, which cap at around 80 people each. Osgoode has a section system where I think around 80 people are in each section and take their courses together. Oz students, please correct me if that’s off. There’s benefits of both systems. Overall, no bad choices here. Congrats and goodluck!
  4. I think that most people that get a job in the 1L recruit generally do have very high grades, though I know of people with slightly above average grades who were successful. Another thing to consider is whether you want a 1L job. It is my understanding that if you accept a position, it’s generally expected that you’ll return for the following summer or for articling. If you’re not sure you know what you want to do, or you have specific firms in mind that don’t participate in the 1L recruit, think about that. I think there’s some leeway here; for example, if you got a 1L recruit job at one of the IP boutiques you could probably leave with the excuse that you have realized that you don’t want to do IP work. This would be harder at a full-service firm. You’re not bound to stay, but it would probably look pretty bad on you. What effect would this have on your general reputation? Who knows. But this is something that many people warned me about when I participated in the recruit.
  5. I second all of this. The feelings of competition do exist sometimes in my opinion, especially around recruit times or right at the beginning of 1L for extracurriculars, but it’s not outright. You feel the competition because you’re aware that everyone is applying to similar things as you, but no one will be an ass about it. At the same time, I do think there’s a sense of general security people feel here because of the high articling rate. Re: social life, I went to almost every call to the bar in my 1L year and I always had a great time. I was definitely not studying every waking hour.
  6. To add on to what other posters have said, I worked for a major political party for a while before law school. Many of my higher ups were lawyers, but they were there after many years of practicing law and they started working in these positions after realizing that they didn’t want to practice law. I wouldn’t generally suggest going law school > policy job and I’m not sure that it’s very easy to go that route. It makes more sense to get a MPP in that case. In fact, I think I realized I wanted to get a JD precisely because I didn’t want to do what they did. Get a law degree if you want to practice law. If you don’t, look at other options that will get you to where you want to go.
  7. First of all, you can make no wrong choices here. These are two fantastic schools. However, if you are certainly interested in something like immigration then I’d advise you to pick Osgoode simply because you’ll accumulate less debt. The reality is that many students at UofT make debt-informed career choices (source: UofT student). There is, of course, the risk of changing your mind. But if you’re quite certain that you won’t be aiming for Bay St in general, pick Osgoode for a better shot at minimizing debt. In my opinion, the campus and proximity to your home alone is not worth the ~30k extra debt if you intended to choose a less lucrative field of law. There are excellent student communities at both schools. Osgoode is more likely to have class to cater to the interests that you mentioned. I felt personally that the risk of higher debt was worth it to me, but I also knew that I was down for Big Law. In the end, you have to weigh the additional debt against the things you like about UofT and see if it’s ultimately worth the trade off. Also, I had similar stats to you and received the same 10k renewable scholarship as another poster on this thread. The top 20% condition is pretty steep. I would treat it as a one-year 10k scholarship in making your decision because you can’t reasonably bank on being in the top 20%. Best of luck!
  8. I applied two years ago so I don’t remember. Try scrolling through the tumblr posts. They’re might be something there.
  9. I believe UofT wanted my updated transcripts in January then again in June the year I applied
  10. Typically people only get jobs in law firms if they know someone or get very lucky. These jobs, as you’ve acknowledged, generally don’t allow you to do much legal work, though there may be some exceptions. Law schools know this. Getting this kind of experience will not substantively help you in applying to law school. Experience in something like business or finance would help your later career if you wanted to work in corporate law, for example. Work with Indigenous communities would help you if you wanted to be work at an Indigenous law firm. It depends on if you know what it is you want to do. Working in government or in a policy role could help a bit maybe, but in my experience it hasn’t been particularly useful. I think doing a lot of reading and writing in whatever you do before law school can help ease the learning curve, but nothing will particularly prepare you for law school. I’d suggest that you follow any interests you have and worry less about trying to get experience for law. That will come when you start.
  11. I can’t speak to the bar exam or what it’s actually like to be there but I am summering at an NYC firm next year. PM if you want to chat about the process there.
  12. The SLS makes an official student page at some point but it won’t be for another many months.
  13. UofT has stated that the personal statement and profile form 1/3 of the application. If your personal statement was poor this can certainly result in your not getting admission. However, it’s been less than a week since admissions started to roll out. I know many people with comparable stats to yours who haven’t heard, and who have what I consider to be strong statements. It’s simply too early to assume you’ve struck out due to a PS.
  14. I know someone who was admitted this cycle with a fast-tracked degree. However, it was a 4-year bachelors degree that the student was completing in 3. I think it’s different if you’re in a 3-year program.
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