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  1. Perhaps! I don't really care and will drop off for a while after this to let the conversation iron itself out and let other voices bubble to the top. The unfortunate truth is that the only person who's going to spend any time on this very silly website really extensively detailing what sucks about working on Bay Street is someone who does have a massive axe to grind. I imagine this forum will go right back to Bay-neutrality or positivity soon enough.
  2. I would wager the thing most useful to a prospective applicant would be to hear from a second or third-year associate about their experience working at the firm, given that the partners are relative rarities. The thinking here is you can tell how an organization treats its people not by how it treats its most successful, but instead just the everyday associates. That is an interesting point about the bonuses being one-off, and certainly more responsive to the discussion topic.
  3. I mean - you've commented (negatively) elsewhere in other threads and called me "all over the place" - you can see why I have doubts that you're coming in good faith. I didn't call you a Leafs fan or anything, wasn't that nerve-y.
  4. Not a saviour complex. I just want a different perspective adequately accounted for on this site, because to be frank I don't think it's really out there. There are so many Bay Street associates who are deeply, deeply, fucking miserable in their work lives. And the students should appreciate that and hear that perspective, such that they can make an informed decision about the world they're stepping into.
  5. Yeah I mean there are other threads I've started on this, and I don't think you're particularly interested in hearing my gripes with working life on Bay Street.
  6. Insane amount of power it is then. Challenges and difficulties strike me as awfully similar words, tbh. Your mileage may vary. I apologize for my inexactitude.
  7. I actually think you're missing the message here Rashabon. I do not care if I convince you. The people I want to convince about how rancid life on Bay Street can be are the people reading the posts, not the people commenting. They are the eponymous law students. And they're talking to me, which is welcome.
  8. Like there are few things I want to hear less on this forum than a Bay Street partner "(at a Sister no less)" expound on the challenges they overcame to become a multi millionaire.
  9. No there are plenty of people who love their jobs on Bay Street, you are quite right. I would argue that these perspectives are disproportionately represented on this forum. Uriel, for example, carries an outsized amount of influence on very impressionable Canadian law students as a result of the way he uses this platform. Whether or not this is a good thing, I would argue, is up for debate.
  10. Rashabon - I think you and I have different worldviews. That's fine. I harbour no ill will towards you. I do not work on Bay Street any longer, and I concede that the Street may have changed considerably in the last few months. But if you think corporate law partners don't wield a considerable (I used 'insane' for rhetorical effect) amount of power relative to their associates and the staff, it is not me who has lost the plot.
  11. Anyway we've lost the plot. In short: solidarity. Mods!
  12. Call away. There are firms that treat non-billable hours much, much differently than billable hours when it comes to compensation. I know this, I have seen this, I know people that have dealt with this. It sounds like it has not been your experience. But you are mistaken if you think it doesn't happen on Bay Street.
  13. Have you uh...asked the people in the mailroom how they're doing? Or the document processing people? Or assistants other than your own?
  14. No. What I'm saying is this commercial reality should be borne in mind. Under the current meat grinder model, most associates get squeezed for their labour for a couple years and then leave. These associates rarely complain about the treatment they receive from partners or inadequate compensation relative to hours worked, because they don't feel comfortable or have the power to speak up. By organizing associates, these people could use their collective power to argue for better pay and more accountability for partners behaving badly. It would counterbalance the truly insane amount of power afforded to Big Law partners. Healthy workplaces are responsive to the needs and concerns of all of their workers - not just the ones who stick around long enough to join the management.
  15. The notion that associates working more doesn't have a trickle down effect on staff is plainly false. If an associate is working more, their assistant is often taking on additional administrative work that would otherwise not exist. Mailroom personnel during the pandemic have been asked to shoulder a huge load - often scanning every letter that the firm receives and sending it to the appropriate lawyer. Many are burned the fuck out right now. Same goes for document processing specialists. When associates are stressed because workloads are insane, associates often take that out on the doc pro folks. These people have also been struggling as a result of the pandemic. All of these struggles are interrelated. If you think the suffering of associates isn't intermingled with the suffering of the staff, I have some staff you should inform of this. The notion that these struggles are neatly siloed is really mind-boggling to me. And I'm sorry Rashabon, but again, you missed the operative word : billable. Associates can get worked into the fucking ground doing non-billable work. I don't think you doubt this, so I won't go into greater detail. But suffice to say I've seen associates (often women, sometimes people of colour) who get given huge, thankless non-billable assignments for which their hours are not really given adequate credence when it comes to determining compensation.
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