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  1. A bit of a ridiculous question but it's because for I want to do it makes sense to have a law degree and it's as simple as that. You shouldn't be in anything for earnings only especially if you are making such a significant investment into your education. If you are not passionate about what you are doing then to me it makes no sense to do it.
  2. It looks like no one seen where I said "it seems" and are ranting over misunderstanding what I said! I'm not sure what my race and gender has to do here when I am asking about law school options and not a grievance about my race and law school. My grades being bad had nothing to do with my race and gender and more to do with other factors that I couldn't control and taking courses now and seeing a vast difference in how I learn, I am confident that my grades for my degree will improve because my circumstances have changed. Most of the black people I know who are lawyers went to top schools with scholarships and these are top schools in Canada and abroad. Stop turning this into something it isn't please.
  3. That is incredibly encouraging, thank you for sharing. I work full time plus other things so what I meant by not studying for LSAT would make my life easier meant if I just decide to not go abroad I can just focus on degree completion and move ahead but if I do the LSAT I would have access to applying to much more schools as well. Again I can see both sides and no I will not continue to be discouraged and to do something else because someone I don't know is telling me to meanwhile people I know are encouraging me to do so.
  4. I'm just talking about my personal interactions with a lot of the new associates that I've interacted with, with some of them even leaving the profession all together shortly after being called to the bar. Not sour grapes when I am earning as much or more than they are and they are complaining to me how much they hate their jobs which they are not too good at anyways. I find the mature students to just be far better litigators, attract more clients and take their work more seriously. Again just my observation
  5. Thanks, everyone for your input, all advice is better than none and all is something to think about! I see pros and cons with all options which is why I'm seeking opinions. I just wanted to address some points made: I didn't see the value in another strictly "don't do it let me trash foreign degrees" thread and just wanted opinions, good or bad, as I am sure that there are other people in my situation who want some points out of their head to consider. I just get the impression that most respondents are just guessing/trolling and have never actually interacted with graduates who went the NCA route, has passed the bar and are practicing lawyers. Most lawyers that I know, including Bay Street lawyers who are even partners, went to law school in another country whether it's in the US, Africa, UK or Europe - they exist. A simple LinkedIn search will show foreign graduates working in banks, all over Bay street and as legal counsel at major corporations with their foreign degrees and LLM's - but yet I consistently see people saying that this stuff never happens in these forums! There are so many applicants and only a few spots in Canadian universities and considering my interactions with new grads from Bay St magnet schools, I would not consider that all of them are the "brightest and the best" and are mediocre in practice at best and perhaps just have had better circumstances that allowed them to study 24/7 with no responsibilities to get good grades - nothing wrong with that but it's just not my circumstances. As much as I would love to go to school here, and I will try my ass off; unfortunately when I think about law school in Canada, all I think about is the elitist attitude, limited options, lack of scholarships and expense. If you do not come from a privileged background and have straight A's for life then you cannot get into a law school here it seems unless it is by exception. In the US for some of the schools I am looking at, the cost is comparable but the costs of living are far more affordable than here and they have far more scholarship programs and reasonable GPA requirements. In the UK the cost of living is manageable, the tuition is comparable or less with one less year and I don't have to write the LSAT which will make my life easier; in 3 years I can get a law degree, study in different countries in Europe and obtain a masters which makes much more sense to me. An MBA here cost's $50,000-$100,000 over 2 years and in the UK/Europe, I can get it in one year for the fraction of the cost and network with leaders from all over the world in class. The US offers far more paid internships and willing mentors than I can find in Canada and they are far more accessible if you are a student there. You can even reach out to recruiters and engage with them to help you map out your career. I know many years ago when I was an undergrad in a different discipline, that is exactly what I did and I even got a paid summer job in the US in something that I never would have had access to in Canada. As far as getting articles here when getting a foreign degree; there are far too many foreign grads with firms who are open to students for me to even be concerned along with my contacts - this is a non-issue for me. As far as online LLB - as long as I transfer into an in-person program after the first year or upon graduation, I don't see anything wrong with it but when I connected with others that did it they said the course load was completely unmanageable and those that were successful really did nothign but study all day, did not work and transfered when completed. I agree with the responder who mentiond that it lacks interaction, mooting oportnities etc which is a good point but as a first degree it is still an option. I realize that my response might come off as anti-Canadian, or that I made up my mind, but the pro's here are obvious but I need to list the cons here and pro's and con's for other options in mind as well for a proper consideration.
  6. My two cents - fluency in Korean with Korean legal experience will get you far with law firms owned by Koreans in cities like Toronto and Vancouver where they do a ton of business within their own community and would probably be more welcoming to help you with doing your articles. Get cracking with the networking, do some research on LinkedIn and Google and when you reach book your calendar solid with meetings; you will be surprised at how positively they will respond to you. If you can get a mentor and help with articles then just do the LLM if not do the JD.
  7. Transfer into the paralegal degree program at Humber; I believe you can get into year 3. Alternatively a 3-year degree at York with limited transfer credits. If you want it, go for it and you will get it, just don't give up and congrats on your transformation.
  8. No I haven't made up my mind but no need to discourage the option of obtaining a foreign degree. I didn't know that you could study abroad and work in Canada until a few years ago and had I known then I wouldn't have given up when I did.
  9. I have done a lot of research in this forum, again you guys talked me out of going the paralegal route lol, but I have actually interacted with many lawyers who have foreign degrees and researched profiles and many of them are either at large firms, in real estate or work in financial institutions. Yes there are people who struggle to do the articles but many do the LPP and work in banks doing very well. I honestly would rather just take the few credits to complete my degree and go to the UK for 2 years then get another degree, write the LSAT and maybe get in. It's not all about working on Bay Street; there are other places to work and Toronto is saturated with law firms owned by foreign grads who let LLB students from abroad do their articles with them. You guys make is sound so bleak there is hope, just look on LinkedIn!
  10. I decided that next year I will start taking steps to pursue my career in law but I have a long way to go. The grades from my partially complete undergrad degree do not have the marks to get me anywhere should I go back to finish it so here's what I am thinking: 1. Start again and get a 3 year degree - I am far more focused and I am confident my grades will be much stronger, but it has to be done part-time - enough time to save up, take the LSAT and apply 2. Online LLB from the UK - University of London, Nottingham and the University of Essex have online qualifying LLB's. Before you guys jump in to diss these programs, I have spoken to people who have studied them and they said they were incredibly challenging. When I researched people who have completed these courses here I see that they have completed NCA's and have been called to the bar and work as qualified lawyers in Canada 3. Take the online LLB focused on transferring to a Canadian JD program or to the on campass program in the UK in 2 years and come back and go the NCA route if I complete abroad. I really would appreciate any thoughts on this - you guys did a great job talking me out of becoming a paralegal so I really look forward to the feedback! Please, no need to respond if you are only going to beat up on the idea of getting a foreign degree because I know far too many successful lawyers with foreign degrees to consider what people say who are not talking from experience.
  11. Actually, there IS an online program with the University of London International Programs with an online LLB. I heard it is not really interactive and if I were to take this course, I would also take a LLM too. I would also make sure I am working in the law field if I were taking it and see how my employer would respond to it and if they would take me on as a student. The tuition is quite affordable and it is approved by NCA. There are testimonials from Canadians who have taken the course and I have looked in LinkedIn and seen some Canadians who are currently enrolled and working in the legal field. http://www.londoninternational.ac.uk/llb I want more interaction with others in my law education so it might not be for me but this might work for you.
  12. I am also seeking a career change, and it just doesn't look like I will ever be able to afford law school so I am also thinking about law clerk vs. paralegal. I am interested in working in the IP/Tech sector since that is my background. In a jobs search and search of law firms, I am simply not finding anyone that has a paralegal education background; I am just seeing law clerks. Just wondering if in this particular area, if there is any benefit in paralegal over law clerk?
  13. I lived in North Burnaby and now live in North York - both incredibly nice areas. I'm sorry but I think your friend is an elitist idiot and most likely a racist. I walk outside because of odd working hours, all hours of the night commuting and have never encountered any crime, especially in my neighborhood. York University campus is incredibly dark and I would even say dodgy, but so is SFU late at night from my experience. Also, there is a big difference between York, North York and York Region...I bet your friend doesn't even know the difference.
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