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  1. Sorry I made a typo, I mean to write University of Ottawa! However, I actually got a message on here from one of the moderators who has graduated from U of T law about some really neat social justice opportunities through the U of T law program. I think those sort of folks (the neoliberal, conservative, white, male etc.) will be wherever you go. It's unavoidable. I'm just looking for programs that fit my interests, good community and deliver a solid education.
  2. then maybe it's just a case of people misinterpreting my question. maybe i should have said programs with a focus? however I repeated my intention later on in the thread so i thought it would be clear by now, that is, to find a program offering courses, clinics, school groups, internships etc that pertain to the interests I initially mentioned. The University of Ottawa law school has literally a Social Justice focus program that offers courses in everything I mentioned above. http://commonlaw.uottawa.ca/en/students/student-centre/course/social-justice-option-jd/courses-jd
  3. Providence, that is what was being debated before. A bunch of folks disagreed/questioned a statement I made about law school being inaccessible. That's what my comment was in reference to. From this thread its been made clear that there are actually quite a few schools that are informed in the ways that I am looking for, and also teach "every inch of the law, how good arguments are structured... etc etc" and offer a multitude of different perspectives! : ) I don't think these things negate one another as there's many schools that offer all of them in different ways.
  4. You responded that "Perhaps you should look for a program that will challenge you and give you the best possible education, rather than looking for a program just because it conforms to your existing beliefs?" I appreciate your recommendation, but I think what you're suggesting exists everywhere, its not hard to come by people that are conservative, neo-liberal, who don't believe that Indigenous rights, the environment, and so on, matter. No matter where I go, I will be challenged by these people. And at the end of the day, no doubt I will pick the school that best serves my needs—which of course includes being challenged in a multitude of ways, and surrounded by diverse perspectives. What I am searching for though, is a school that will offer clinics, classes, internship opportunities etc that include these interests of mine, where I can gather with other like-minded folks to organize, work together, and make change. If anything positive has come out of this thread (for me), its that this does exist! At quite a few different schools, and yes, at some more than others. That was the question I had to begin with, and though I appreciate you trying to offer advice, your suggestion was not really meaningful to me. Perhaps it will be to others that read this thread though!
  5. Yeah, there's the trouble. I don't really see anything we're talking about as "debatable". Systemic racism is real. In Canada, "higher education" (among many other systems) is not financially accessible for many people. Oppression is a real and important issue, and there are ways to help alleviate it through working in law. I am honestly not trying to be disagreeable, I just don't see where the argument is unless someone is truly ill-informed. It seems like people are just digging for an argument where there isn't one and meanwhile asserting the importance of "seeing other perspectives"—I see you, I hear you, these are the same narratives steeped throughout any neoliberal society.
  6. I'd read a bunch of threads, but more just about peoples test scores and other generic questions. I didn't realize it was considered customary and acceptable to just sidetrack the thread and then continue...for pages... It's too bad that this direction is so commonplace
  7. I'm not offended, I'm more just irritated, people have just been responding over and over again to points I've already addressed. I made this account yesterday so I'm not really sure how things work! If you all want to continue discussing, feel free. If it's not too much to ask, please don't include me in the conversation though.
  8. Sure! Advocate for making high school and undergrad more accessible; advocate for making education—especially those that cost thousands of dollars to attend—more accessible. I 100% agree!
  9. I'm not sure why there's this assumption that I think law school is the *only* system that's inaccessible. I think most of the system is fucked up and inaccessible. I think the system is built to make it extra difficult for anyone thats not male, cis, white, able-bodied etc. to be successful, and there's many reasons for that. It's surprising/interesting to me that this is such a controversial idea over here. This is just a thread about law school, which is why I specifically said law school was inaccessible, and I was just asking a simple question about what programs are informed/aware/interested in social-justicey issues. I'm not trying to have an argument. To be honest I don't really know why this conversation has continued when it's been asserted that there are a bunch of programs that have identified the need for what I've reached out about here, and have exactly what I'm looking for. Here are some super neat opportunities within programs to do the kind of work/study that I initially mentioned, http://commonlaw.uottawa.ca/social-justice/ http://www.uviclss.ca/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/JID-Scope-and-Components-26-January-2016-1.pdf http://www.uwindsor.ca/law/student-services-office/51/social-justice-fellowships http://www.osgoode.yorku.ca/programs/jd-program/clinics-intensives/innocence-project/ http://www.law.utoronto.ca/academic-programs/jd-program/combined-programs/jdmsw-social-work
  10. The comic is exactly what I've been putting forth, and I'm sorry if that wasn't clear. I wasn't referring to law school as an isolated incident of inaccessibility, just one that we are talking about in this context. Like I said, inaccessibility is financial, and is also connected to race, sexuality, gender, disability among other social intersections like represented in the comic (this is the "identity politics" thing that Yogurt and I were talking about before). I think education (along with healthcare, food, shelter, and all other necessities) is a right and should be free or made 100% affordable. Accessibility means breaking down the barriers that make systems like education, like law school in this case, difficult for those who are less privileged to engage with. When law school costs a shit ton of money to attend, it's just one aspect and one more barrier to this multi-faceted inaccessibility.
  11. My position has already been elaborated on, what more are you confused about? It's all been addressed in the comic and elsewhere online. I don't mean to shut down the discussion, I just feel like I'm repeating myself at this point.
  12. it's exactly what i'm talking about. inaccessible academic systems make it even more difficult for those who aren't privileged to succeed by making it inaccessible—academic systems contribute to the overall struggle by recreating barriers that show up in all sorts of social systems. law school, along with so many other social systems embody these principals. structuring a system so that it's nearly impossible to get into it if one isn't privileged is a hegemonic system of power.
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