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  1. Yea a 3.7+ is deans list territory, so you are very easily on the deans list. Medals are really so variable year to year - you’ve heard that one year even a 3.83 was not enough to medal, whereas some years a 3.8 is enough. You’re right on the line, you may get it you may not
  2. I think you’re safely in medalist territory for sure. No way to know until the awards committee meets, which won’t be until next week (I assume) since the P/F election deadline is Friday and I doubt the committee would meet until the grades are final
  3. Yea if you’re not above 3.8 there’s really no chance, and it does tend to be even higher than that. Of course, it totally depends year to year, but 3.8 is a good baseline. 3.7 and up is normally the range for Deans List, so if you aren’t at medal level you still get that distinction if your in the top 10% (so top ~20 students, depending on class size)
  4. Your term GPA 100% appears on your transcript. Checking my most recent official transcript, your cumulative GPA does not seem to appear, although it does on unofficial transcripts and I may be on your transcript once you graduate (mine does have a space for it, it’s just not populated. Haven’t graduated so can’t say whether it’ll appear then)
  5. Can confirm Deans list normally requires 3.7 or above (maybe 3.65 or above, depending on the year) and medalists would typically be at 3.8 or above. With that said, take your B. Employers won’t care so much about the grade, which is average, when you have so many high ones. And it doesn’t sound like the P would raise your GPA into award territory, so just keep it
  6. This happened to me too! Actually every wiki seems to come up ‘Page Not Found’ for me
  7. The March solicitors Redo is for sure online at this point? Just confirming because I’ve had my doubts the LSO will actually pivot to online testing, but if the can do it for March test takers they can do it for the rest of us.
  8. I’ll just add that in 1L you can work sort of indirectly for the clinics though PBSC. I answered this on a thread earlier this month: Some students in 1L also voltunteer for the other clinics such as Family Law, Business Law, and Elder Law though Pro Bono Students Canada - Queens Chapter. PBSC has its own application process, they have like 30 projects and I believe you rank them and if you’re accepted you get sorted into one project. You can see the list of projects here https://www.pbscqueens.com/projects-d You can check that thread for my detailed explanation for how upper year applications work, if you’re interested!
  9. Sure, but people rarely fail law school or even law school classes. Could you expand what one has to do with the other? Thank you, this gets at the heart of the thing. Perhaps schools have not communicated this clearly, but a Pass/Fail system is NOT a curved system.
  10. If my options were fail the course and have the on my transcript, or file and appeal, I'd choose appeal and make my case. The point of this hypothetical is just to illustrate that the fear that a professor, now limited to only 2 letter choices as opposed to 5, is more likely to choose F (absent university policy to do so), is not unfettered in their ability to choose F. And I believe law students would fight them on it. Rather than get worried more profs will try to fail me, I hope to use these nexts weeks to do my best reviewing the knowledge I have gained this term, and trying to turn it into sensible exam answers.
  11. Since appeals open students up to getting a lower or higher grade, normally I'd agree that students would think twice about taking the time. But we're talking a group of students who are used to succeeding, having been taught to argue, engaging in a process where they literally have nothing to lose (since you cant get lower than F). I think anyone in that situation would appeal
  12. I don't think that would hold up for most profs. If one does, they have to defend such a grade on appeal (I believe most schools have a grades appeals process). So they certainly cannot fail people for writing slightly worse exams, or even very much worse exams, unless they can say that under a letter system, that person would get an F as well
  13. Right, but was anyone getting Fs? I can find maybe one F given in a course in the past 4 years a Queen's, with a cursory glance at the course distributions. Most students will pass. Or they'll get passing letter grades that they convert into Ps
  14. I think it's way more likely everyone passes. Even on the curved system, where people could fail if they did poorly enough, nearly no one ever FAILS. A P/F system is not curved - a prof would have to say that you'd done so poorly you don't merit passing the course. Which the student would appeal.
  15. Queen's in absolutely being generous to it's students. They're essentially letting grading go ahead as normal, and then letting students hide any grades they may not like. Might be a C, a B-, even a B+ (and this is a real thing - my GPA is above an A- right now. If I end up with B+'s, I may just decide to hide them so the GPA number on my transcript looks nice). I also think it would be good to remember - many Ontario schools have announced a mandatory pass/ fail system. Meaning that employers will be comparing transcripts with lots fo P/Fs. Queen's might end up being the lone Ontario school with actual grades. This results in three recruiting scenarios: 1. An employer looking at a P/F Queen's transcript against all other P/F transcripts. They might think the student was below the curve because they opted P/F, or they might not, but since both students have no grades, they'll have to look elsewhere to distinguish candidates 2. An employer looking at a Queen's transcript with some Ps, and a couple B+ or even As. They offer this candidate an interview, but they're on of the only candidates with grades. So what if they 'Ps' are all covers for B-. That just proves, like hundreds of law recruits before, that the student did well in some subjects and less well in others 3. An employer is looking at Queen's grades next to all other P/F transcripts. Maybe they were a median student, maybe above median, who knows. They were a strong enough student to want their grades shown. Maybe they get an interview. So too do tons of other law students from the P/F schools, because no employer is going to ONLY choose to interview graded Queens students. So yes, Queen's is being generous. Anyone can now choose to hide grades they'd like others not to see. People may just assume they were bad anyway. But I can't see, among all this panic, with other factors at play, that this will truly ruin anyone's recruit. But I've never been a recruiter for a firm, so I am willing to be rebutted on this point.
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