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  1. Wait... did you say you tried out but didn't make these moots? Perhaps I misunderstood, but if you tried out and didn't go and do the actual moot, you shouldn't list them. I think that would be misleading and open you up to questions you can't answer in interviews. If you did in fact compete but did not advance to the finals/ didn't win, then don't sweat it and list them. I did not win several moots but employers still seemed happy that I did them. Also, I echo what everyone's saying about clinics. Clinic experience is A+ even if you lose (though I encourage winning in that area!)
  2. Current 2L In no particular order: Lots of free food on campus all the time - you will save $$$ on groceries and a lot of the food sponsored by law firms/ at posh-er events is quite delicious. Great mentorship from alumni and upper year students + lots of vehicles for networking/ matching people up to help each other run organized by the student government. You can do externships/ clinics/ mooting/ journals for credit. I don't know whether other school have this or to what extent -- but I've found that this has allowed me to focus on things I actually enjoy doing, and not end up overworked with a heavy course load on top of it all. Lots of opportunities for mooting -- and mooting teams generally have good student coaches from what I hear (I have heard complaints about lack of faculty support, though only in a few cases). CDO has some new staff who are actually helpful for a variety of issues (though they still are less helpful if you're public interest oriented than if you want to be a corporate lawyer). Right on the subway line, so if you have a commute, it is easy to get to -- apparently some other Ontario schools are hard to get to? Don't know if that's true, but U of T is definitely accessible by subway. Toronto as a city in general is quite walk-able, especially the areas around U of T campus. U of T's broader campus has something like 40 libraries and the campus is filled with great and beautiful study space for when you get sick of being in the law building. I've found this incredibly helpful when I wanted to be productive but also wanted to be away from the law school crowd. Lots of clinical opportunities, and it appears that everyone who wants a clinic placement gets one. Depending on which one you do, you could work on some really interesting legal matters (sex ed curriculum reform, international human rights cases). Good profs in certain specific areas of law - like Crim for instance. You wouldn't think it based on U of T's reputation as a corporate school, but there you go. In addition, I've found profs in all areas to be very available to meet with and talk to/ help students. The location -- central, near lots of law firms, as well as legal clinics and other opportunities. This in fact does make a difference with respect to networking opportunities, I have found. Also, Toronto is a pleasant place to live - lots of fun places to eat, parks etc. (corresponding con is that you have to pay Toronto rent, and Toronto can be less than bike-friendly at times, though the area around campus is ok for this). Other students -- I've found the community to be very welcoming and everyone to be very kind and willing to help each other. Though this varies from cohort to cohort of course!
  3. Is this something that only applies to Bay street? How do other firms determine compensation?
  4. Though bear in mind the cost of housing when choosing where to article - not all articles come with the ideal salary, apparently! I can only speak for Toronto, but paying off student debt while also paying for shelter is not going to be easy, even if articling at 60k.
  5. WTF!! That goes way beyond toxic workplace and well into the realm of potentially criminal assault! I hope the student clocked that principal right back... to demonstrate that they are absorbing that high quality mentorship.
  6. That's what my intuition on this was - though that means it makes even less sense to give students a toxic articling experience!
  7. I'm just a 2L and I absolutely dread the thought of this happening: articling is already talked of like a gruelling rite of passage. No one should feel trapped in an abusive/toxic workplace on top of the ordinary stresses of articling. That said, I have no idea how useful articling students are to their employers - do most places really view them as cheap labour, or are they still too inexperienced to actually make up for the cost of their services?
  8. Going off of this, what are court-appropriate boots? Would these work? https://www.aldoshoes.com/ca/en/women/clearance/footwear/boots/Emely-Black Nubuck/p/52334731-93 https://www.payless.com/womens-christian-siriano-for-payless-waylan-double-buckle-boot/79866.html?dwvar_79866_width=Regular&dwvar_79866_color=blacksuede#start=18&cgid=women-boots https://www.payless.com/womens-brash-riot-combat-boot/79860.html?dwvar_79860_color=black&dwvar_79860_width=Regular#start=7&cgid=women-boots
  9. Without revealing too much, here's an overview of what I might wear to different law school activities: Class: sweater, jeans, boots Class when the weather is hot: tank top, jeans, casual shoes/sneakers The library, which is always cold: winter parka, jeans, boots, scarf, hat Mooting, job interviews, court appearances: 150$ suit Meeting with a clinic client: button-up shirt and office-appropriate pants Coffee with a lawyer: Non-ripped jeans, button-up shirt Law school reception/ cocktail type thing: blazer, casual shirt, non-ripped jeans or chinos, black sneakers I have never stood out awkwardly from the group with this attire. I often see people wear sweatpants to class. I have also seen people wearing sports team merch to class. A few people come to class dressed like they're running a law firm, but they do not seem to benefit from this in any way. Some women wear dresses that look fancy to my non-expert eye. They also do not seem to benefit from this in any way. Wear whatever you feel comfortable in to class. In terms of suiting, try going suit shopping with someone/ buying something with a return policy and asking a trusted friend how you look. It helps to have an extra set of eyes to tell you if something doesn't look like it fits right/needs hemming/ makes you look like a child in their parents' clothes. For situations that are somewhat in-between, use your judgment and consult someone who has done that thing before. Good luck!
  10. That depends on your financial situation - it also depends on things like your cost of living. Again, as I said above, finance was one of several considerations for me and U of T satisfied my concerns in that area. Cheers.
  11. That means your choice had nothing to do with finance. To clarify, finance was one of several considerations. Since Osgoode doesn't have an aid calculator, I compared the amount U of T's calculator estimated I would get against what I guessed I would get from Osgoode. I informed my Osgoode guess by asking Osgoode students with similar wealth to my own what they were getting, and also by looking at the website.
  12. I inquired with similarly situated students, and I looked around on their website. Maybe if they had a calculator like U of T, my estimate would be different, but even in hindsight, I'm glad I chose U of T because of the community, opportunities I've enjoyed, and location.
  13. I started off dead set on Osgoode for the clinics, but ended up choosing U of T for a combination of: Location - I prefer to live in a walkable neighborhood closer to school Financial aid - I was able to get more from U of T than from Osgoode and it eliminated the tuition difference Co-curricular - Available clinic opportunities were in my areas of interest Community - this wasn't part of why I chose the school, but it is a reason I would recommend it to others - I've found it to be a really positive, collaborative atmosphere, where everyone is genuinely "into" learning about the law. Alumni network - I can't compare this to Osgoode, but I've always found that U of T grads are very willing to talk to and help out a student seeking career/school/life advice
  14. Does anyone have tips on where to get nice collarless blouses/shells that look professional under a blazer? Maybe I'm over-thinking it, but I find that collarless shirts tend to look too casual?
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