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  1. I shamelessly do this. Now I'm wondering how much I may have annoyed people who share your view. What's wrong with someone asking around to see how they did compared to their fellow students? You can always be boring and say you don't want to share. Or you can lie.
  2. I just happened to stumble across this specific post, but this advice likely applies to anyone who just received their grades and finds themselves wondering what those letters mean for your OCI prospects. Ask your school's career office: You should be able to get a general idea about what your grades (from your school) mean from there. They will know what other students who got the job in previous years did in order to get there, and whether a given set of grades is "good" for that employer or not. They will also be able to look at your CV and give you a better guess than people on this forum who can't see that. Some schools have more optimistic career offices than others, but in general, they ought to have the information to make a decent ballpark estimate. Ask an upper year: This can be hard if you feel that your grades are "bad" but if there's someone in the upper years you trust not to share your grade information with everyone else, you might want to try asking them. Alternatively, you can ask an upper year with a job you want about what their transcript looked like when they applied. Ideally, you're already talking to past summer students at the places you want to work before you apply. Upper years might also give you a better answer than your overly-optimistic or overly-pessimistic career office. Ask your academic dean or whatever what the average grade distribution is. Then you can more reasonably think about whether you have above or below average grades. Your grades should not generally be a thing that prevents you from applying to certain places. There are obviously exceptions to this, and you should ask the above people for details on what those exceptions look like for you, with your grades and at your school. Regardless of your grades, you should be doing lots of research and asking your mentors where you could/ought to apply. Apply to every place you can see yourself working at during articling and beyond. Apply to every place that shows interest in the area of law you want to do and which gives you good summer experience that you could then take advantage of during the articling recruit. I hope this helps!
  3. How would someone practicing in one area show interest in another? It's easy enough in school where you can choose your courses, but how can one do that during articling/as a 1-2-year call? Is it a matter of choosing what cases to work on? Is that something someone fairly junior can do?
  4. I have done this with my own stellar references and there was no problem. I would be wary of trying it where I didn't feel a strong and positive rapport with the referee.
  5. I just finished 2L, and I'm going to be finding articles this summer (if all goes well). I have heard that articles often lead to being hired back as an associate, and that the job market for recent calls can be unforgiving. But what happens when a 2L looking to cover their rear takes on articles, completes said articles, agrees to be hired back because the market isn't so hot, and then changes their mind about a practice area? I do not anticipate that this will happen to me, but just in case it does, I'm hoping to get an idea of how others have dealt with a yearning to flee to another area of law. 1. What steps did you take to show interest in the other area? How did you persuade potential employers or clients that you were not a total flake and that area 2 is where you intend to stay? 2. How did you build experience in that other area? 3. How many years into your career did you make the switch? Is there a point, after several years of practicing in one area that it becomes unreasonably difficult or risky to try changing? 4. How did you deal with your firm/clients/employer when you made the switch?
  6. I went to U of T for undergrad and loved it, but I know a lot of people who found it overwhelming. I don't know how this compares to the state of affairs at other schools, but don't assume that U of T will necessarily be the best for for you. I'm happy to talk more about my undergrad at U of T over PM if you like. But more generally, when it comes to your undergrad, I would strongly recommend doing something you enjoy. This will make it easier to focus on doing well; it will make it more likely that you'll be passionate enough to seek out interesting opportunities that will look good on your cv; and it can also serve as your backup plan if you don't get into law school OR if you decide after two years of undergrad that you actually don't want to go to law school because things are looking promising with your undergrad discipline.
  7. I don't know your stats, so evaluate this advice in light of that. I would caution against going for a more expensive legal education because you are worried about your stats. If you're genuinely interested in a dual program because there's something about the program that appeals to you, that's obviously a different story. As you make your choice, don't forget that once you complete law school, you will have to compete in the market for law jobs. If you're worried about your stats, you might want to think about whether those are a reflection of your actual performance or other obstacles. Then, you'd want to make sure those obstacles will no longer apply when you are in law school/entering practice.
  8. Don't do it! 1L is the time to get to know your classmates, and to waste lots of time as you figure out how to efficiently do law school readings. It's also the time to try out different extra-curricular and outside activities. Being on/around campus (or at least closer than 3 hours away) is important in order to be able to connect with what's happening at school and not risk missing out on opportunities - whether it's the opportunity to make friends, or some event or another that could help you with school/jobs/career path.
  9. I'd say that if you don't have a good reason, don't drop the course. I don't have any data on this, but personally I think it looks better to have a full course load (or as close as possible) unless there is a question of illness or some other special circumstance. The difference between a 3.85 and a 3.83 by contrast seems a lot less noticeable. Also, you don't know how that class will turn out - I've been surprised by group-work heavy courses before.
  10. That difference in gpa sounds very small. I think it would look better to have 4 courses over 3. But this depends... What is considered a full course load at your school?
  11. What happened with Scotiabank? I thought their PSLOC was for 150,000!
  12. What do you mean by men's style? I have definitely seen women wearing Oxfords in the office, if that counts.
  13. Wait what? Really? Is that not a right to counsel issue?
  14. A "bit depressing" is certainly an understatement. When I enter the building, the colour drains from my face, clothing, and spirit. My heart frosts over. Laughter is inaudible inside the building, and groans are magnified tenfold in volume and intensity. The floor is damp with tears. EDIT: But it is, I'll admit, more comfortable than the Osgoode building
  15. I found 1L to be not stressful at all except a little anxiety right before finals. Definitely manageable - and a lot of things were fun! I loved the clinics, mooting, and journals/ side research. I did find a few insufferable people, but no one I wanted to push down the stairs. I found 2L to be much more stressful because of the recruit. Academically, I would say law school is not inherently difficult, you just need to understand what you need to do to learn well, and do that.
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