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  1. Wow! I hope no one ever has to work for you. Sarcasm aside, a law firm is not a beehive. Juniors become seniors, seniors become partners, and the people who work for you become your colleagues. And presumably remember a time when you gave no shits about the working relationship and treated them like tools to be discarded on disrepair. That cannot be a good way to retain talent or preserve harmony in the workplace.
  2. Find a clinic or moot in the area and do that, if you can! That could give you a concrete way to show interest, as well as the opportunity to do something positive that you can show off as an accomplishment in that area.
  3. Here's my shortlist: Location - you will be closer to Toronto firms, which is helpful if you want to arrange career/informational coffee chats with lawyers, and will be useful for mooting as well. You'll also be close to the rest of U of T campus, which has many nice study spots. Not to mention downtown Toronto, which is just a nice place to be (I say, Torontontianly). Good clinic opportunities - Osgoode has lots of clinics as well, but I've found that U of T's clinic opportunities were a nice blend of "not very competitive to get into," "looks good on resume," "useful practical skills learned," and "lawyers at places I'd want to work are alumni of such clinics and look favorably on them." Great classmates - I've liked (and at worst, tolerated) everyone I've met at the law school so far. There's also a great peer mentorship program, and everyone I've found is quite eager to help each other out. Not sure that this one is "better than Osgoode" - but, anecdotally, I have heard fewer Osgoode students celebrate their good relationships with their classmates than U of T students. Of course all of the above come with downsides: Cost of living - rent is eyewatering and if you want an affordable place, you'll have to have at least one human roommate (and if you're unlucky, a number of rodent or insect roommates, too). Or you'll have to commute for an hour. Or live in a car in the U of T law parking lot. Tuition debt can make it hard to choose less lucrative summer/articling options - and while a lot of clinics will let you stick your finger in some really cool constitutional challenge/ human rights problems, it might become economically infeasible to take a job at an organization that focuses on those things/ doesn't guarantee articles when you have a large debt to repay. One person's "great classmates" are another's "nightmare douchebags" - and of course there's no way to know who might happen to be in your cohort.
  4. It heavily depends on the class and your learning style. I would attend all 1L first semester classes just to cover all your bases. In 2L, when you start to take electives and you know whether you find the lectures useful or not, you may find it worthwhile to skip some classes and save your energy to study the material at home instead of commuting. Note that many upper year essay-based classes will have a large mandatory participation grade, so you'll want to attend those, probably.
  5. 45 minutes is a reasonable commute, and car time sounds like a great opportunity to listen to music/ podcasts and unwind after classes. Plus the lockers at the school are tiny, and a car is free storage. Good luck!
  6. Disclaimer: I'm not a Ryerson student, but I want to share my opinion here, since it's not unhelpful, and somewhat not pessimistic about Ryerson. Im also mostly responding to Turtles, not directly to OP. Feel free to ignore. To your general questions, I would say that name recognition may be somewhat important in the recruitment processes that occur during law school. For instance, a lot of U of T students go to New York firms as compared to other schools, and there's not really a huge reason why that would be, if not for the name recognition. Once you graduate, I cannot say what name recognition will do... though the actual work you have on your resume could speak for itself if you do a lot of on-point legal work, no matter what school you come from. From the lawyers and recruiters I have personally met, I would be surprised and disappointed if they completely ruled people out based on their school. There is also just a general bias against the newer schools, I find, until they establish themselves. If you have a good reason for choosing Ryerson (i.e., not because you think it will be "less competitive"), then you should be able to justify to potential employers why you are there (i.e., not because your undergrad grades weren't up to snuff and you had no other choice). As for cost: that is a much more compelling factor. It will impact how stressful the job search is. Huge debt will make it harder to choose less lucrative areas of the law, even when those may be the reason you came to law school in the first place. In general, people often advise going to school where you want to work. But that does not at all mean that attending Queens instead of Ryerson would make it harder for you to work in Toronto. Ditto for UBC and many other schools. It really varies based on your grades/ extra-curriculars, and the area of law in which you want to work. An important question you should consider is what you want out of your law school experience, and how much you want those things... Are you looking for clinics? Minimal debt? Research opportunities? Mooting? Access to downtown firms and networking opportunities? You've listed certain factors above as "positives" but it's not clear what their weight is in your decision-making process. You should know how important these things are to you, relative to each other, when you make your choice. That understanding will also help you ask the right questions (and make the most of any answers) when you approach students/ admin/ others for advice on making your choice. If you don't have a clear first choice school based on what's publicly available, then wait until you receive all your offers before making a decision. Go to the admitted students' welcome events, and meet some of the staff/ potential classmates you might end up with. Ask admin from all three Toronto schools about why their school is better than the others. Find students who go to all three, and ask them about their experience. Full disclosure: I'm a U of T student, and I loved my experience here. You can DM me if you want to ask me about my experience - I'm happy to share. I also know Osgoode has many redeeming qualities, though an Osgoode student will give you a better idea. And FWIW, novelty seems like a poor reason to choose a law school, from my perspective. If a lawyer is asking why you chose your school, that means they presumably don't know why anyone would voluntarily choose to go there. That is not a great way to start a relationship with a future employer, whose first questions should be about your skills and accomplishments, or why you want to work with them, or something that doesn't seem to question your very judgment.
  7. My gut response is to tell you to give it a go if you know you love the sport and you're not sure whether you'll want to participate in a lot of other law school extra-curriculars in 1L. It really depends on your time management skills and the extent to which you want to participate in other activities. I knew that I wanted to participate in journals, volunteer work, and mooting - and while I spent about 5-10 hours per week doing a recreational sport, it was not on a school team and it was something I could skip without guilt. I frequently did, though mostly because I got sick a bunch in 1L. Another thing to note is that in 1L, especially during first semester, a lot of people (myself included) wasted a lot of time figuring out how best to study/ how to read cases for what is actually important, etc. So you want to make room for the possibility that you might have a hard time with that. However, 1L first semester is probably also the best time to accidentally over-load yourself, because then you can show a trajectory of improvement once you find your balance again.
  8. Really really lame. Do not do this. Unless you're a Libra.
  9. And where is that post with the student with the scales tattoo?
  10. In Ontario, lawyers wear a specific set of black robes while in court. The ceremony to become a lawyer is called a "call to the bar" and they wear the robes to that event, too. I don't think lawyers generally wear anything to symbolize their role outside of those situations, but I've definitely seen law offices use the "scales of justice" and bookshelves full of leather-bound volumes as decor motifs.
  11. As someone yet to start articling, I'm always curious about how mobility works/ how where you article affects future opportunities... though this may not be the right place to ask, how would you go about finding a job outside this specialty if it is all you have done?
  12. I agree with the people who say to apply - might as well give it a shot. Having a demonstrated interest in the area of law the employer specializes in will obviously help you a lot, and simply interviewing at places can be a way to meet people or learn new things about the employers you are (or thought you might be) interested in. Give it a go!
  13. I'm curious as to why you've been having these thoughts only recently - surely you knew what your financial situation would be when you applied for law schools (unless something changed in the interim)... Has receiving acceptances to law schools brought this to the forefront now (whereas before, it was more hypothetical?) The TLDR of the below is this: when deciding, I think you should ask yourself (1) why you applied in the first place, (2) what you will be giving up to attend law school, and (3) whether (considering various possible outcomes) the cost of going to law school is worth the potential benefits. Maybe, to help you answer your question for yourself, it might be worth going back to the reasons you applied to law school in the first place. What do you want to do with your law degree? You don't mention being interested in any particular area of law... do you only want to try for Biglaw and its associated income? Are you interested in other areas of law? Do you know what "Biglaw" lawyers do and are you interested in doing that? What drew you to apply, and what makes you excited to go to law school? How satisfied will you be with a choice to attend law school if you end up in any of the long list of possibilities @happydude mentioned above? In addition, you should consider what you would otherwise be doing if not attending law school. What would you be giving up by attending? What are the financial, opportunity, and quality of life costs? Obviously, quality of life is about more than income. Law careers can be very satisfying (I hear), and can also be any combination of exciting, tedious, lucrative, or poor. So can careers in another discipline. You have financial goals, like home ownership. If you have other life goals, which a law career would keep you from, I would urge you to weigh all of them in making your decision about whether to attend law school and become a lawyer. For perspective: I'm a 3L about to start articling - I'm graduating with a big debt, but came into law school with no undergrad debt and in fact had a pile of cash to put towards tuition. The prospect of not being able to pay back my debt influenced some of my career choices, and, along with everything else that shapes my decision-making, brought me to a sweet gig at a firm I love, doing a mix of things 1) which I came to law school to do and am psyched about; 2) things that I didn't plan to do but enjoy; and 3) things I didn't plan to do and find kinda meh. I am also 1) not doing some things that I came to law school to do; 2) not doing some things I enjoy and could have done, had I accepted a less lucrative path. I made the calculation for myself and feel good about my choice right now. And who knows what'll happen in five years? Maybe I'll be miserable. But if I look back on my choices five years from now, at least I'll know that I made the best decision I could with the information I had, given how much I valued having a meaningful job; financial stability; and the other quality of life factors I considered. I hope this does something for you as you make your decision!
  14. I got a mix of Ps, Hs, and an HH in 1L - I pretty much used the same study strategy in all the exam-based classes. I kept up with reading during the term, joined a study group for exams, and used an upper-year summary/map to supplement my own. In the end, I found my grades corresponded to how interesting I found the material, more than anything else. In 2L, my grades improved substantially: I think mostly because of the choice of classes - though I also took more paper classes (which I just feel are easier for me - I have never P'ed a paper class).
  15. I hand-wrote all my notes and exams during undergrad and 1L, but switched to typing lecture and reading notes after my 1L year, during which I got very average grades. My grades improved substantially in 2L, but it is unclear to me whether that was due to a change in note-taking or simply sue to the fact that I was able to choose classes that I enjoyed and take fewer classes while doing clinic work for credit. However, the switch made it a lot easier for me to make outlines and materials for open-book exams. I saved a load of time, and got more out of classes by typing my notes. I find it hard to tell what the most important part of what a prof says is in real time. Where I can, I do that synthesis while typing. Where I cannot, I transcribe verbatim and then work it out later. Having the option is what makes typing the better choice for me.
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