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  1. Other posters have mentioned the grades aspect, which is unfortunate to hear as a student so I won't reiterate. I want to however draw attention to this portion of your post as I believe it fed into unrealistic expectations which are now leading to your current shock. Take this advice with a grain of salt, but firms just don't care what names appear on a cover letter. If you spoke with a partner, associate, articling student, law clerk, or custodian, it really doesn't do much, if anything at all, for your application. I can all but guarantee that although you remember this lawyer, he or she doesn't remember you. If a lawyer's name is on the application your best case is the recruitment committee, if this lawyer isn't on it, asks the lawyer about you. If the lawyer remembers you, which they won't, any description will probably not be a very detailed explanation of how you are as a candidate. Probably something like "meh he or she seems normal". Alternately, if the lawyer is on the recruitment committee, this also doesn't help because he or she has interacted with literally hundreds of students and won't have anything magnificent to say about you regardless of how passionate you may have been. The student committees in these firms aren't clueless. They know students are looking for a nepotistic favour by interacting with these lawyers in an effort to get on "the inside". As such, name dropping doesn't help. Apart from this reality, IMO school CDO offices know jack shit about how to get students hired and what firms want.
  2. I didn't have nearly a full day of OCIs, but I found the more exhausted I was in interviews the calmer I was. In a strange personal way, once my "I'm over this shit I'm going to just be myself" attitude kicked in, I could just go into the booth and have a normal conversation with other people rather than being terrified, anxious, and neurotic in front of the interviewers. To each their own.....
  3. Depending on who picks the OCI candidates and who does the interviews the interviewers might not even know who’s an alternate. Regardless, the answer is not to worry about it.
  4. An A average on a dud candidate that doesn’t fit with the firm isn’t getting hired over the B average student with an infectious personality whom everyone loves. An A average will assist with tied applicants between that particular student and a B+ student or anyone below that. It’s fairly intuitive. No one will or can provide advice as to exactly how much emphasis is being placed on what at each firm. It’s a contextual decision based on the students grades, personality, and how that meshes with the particular firm.
  5. By coming to the unfortunate realization that although your top choice was your current favourite, you ultimately may not know that much about the firm without internal connections. This "top choice" was thus based off nothing more than the website. As this is the case for most students, another true top choice is waiting to be found. For instance, my top choice after OCIs was my last choice going into OCIs. Keep your head up.
  6. Speaking from my measly one summer in Toronto, it would seem to me that you tailored your applications too slim. Firms don't appear to be looking for students to fit into a small role in a niche practice area because there likely isn't enough work for a student in those areas over the summer. Unless of course you're applying to boutiques. If I'm an employer reading a cover letter wherein student A is willing to delve into corporate, litigation, labour and employment, etc, and student B is extremely passionate about the intricacies of environmental law, why would I hire student B unless the firm is large enough that one lawyer can hire any student for his or her exact practice area? You've reduced your appeal from 50 lawyers in different areas down to 5 for example. It seems that the lawyer in the student B hypothetical would hire a junior associate not a student. Some full service firms will advertise specializations that aren't widely practiced because that's just marketing. I know of an area listed on my firm's website that is such a small practice groups that breaking into it whatsoever, let alone as a student, is difficult enough.
  7. I wouldn't put too much thought into it either way. In one situation I received a bland response following my email and still received an in-firm call without an ITC on call day. Conversely, I received a thank you response from my email which applauded my substantive knowledge of the law that this particular boutique firm practices in which I didn't receive an in-firm. Additionally, I received an in firm (and later an offer) when no response was given to my thank you email. This is all just to say that you cannot and should not attempt to read into recruiters actions too much in the process. Sure, if someone sends glaring indications then read the room, but minute things are ambiguous and should be left alone.
  8. Most people are assuming they have strong ECs, personal statements, and references when in reality they likely have no clue. On the other hand, certain posters will advise that nothing short of an Olympian is a strong EC. A strong EC would be something objectively impressive. For instance, I was working for the Senate when I applied to law school. I didn’t think this was an excellent EC but someone else might.
  9. It depends on the firm. I’ve heard stories of an ITC following the “thank you for the OCI” email. In my experience, the firms I interviewed with waited until just a few days before call day.
  10. Ill rephrase as "largely irrelevant" then as my comments were hyperbole. Of course nothing is completely nonsense or useless as knowledge is knowledge. However, as you've mentioned and OP seems to be juggling with, the initial lectures may be outside of testable content, which is why he or she believes it's irrelevant.
  11. Side note however, as it’s your first week you may find that lots of the introductory lectures are nonsense because they cover the evolution/ history of the subject. When fact pattern finals come around the truth is they may indeed be excessive and unnecessary lectures. This is something you in time as you advance as a student. You’re one week into the study of law so of course you won’t know what’s relevant and what’s not. The same goes for reading cases. At the moment it’s very time consuming because you can’t differentiate what’s useless and what’s not. But reading case law is an extremely important part of the profession so although it’s time consuming for now it’s necessary to learn.
  12. If the assistant also works for a partner, and because you’re a relatively new call, I can see how this would absolutely piss off partners at the firm. Theres a difference between you working with the assistant and the assistant being “yours”.
  13. Check kijiji, student housing billboard, facebook group, google.
  14. Accepting that you're out of the running for 2L positions seems to be the worst option. Send applications to small shops. Call up everyone you can. OP may be out of the running for formalized recruiting but IMO it's premature to give up on all applications. If the suggestion is for OP to focus on the articling recruit we can't forget that a 2L position is a very common way to land an articling position. It's not logical to suggest focusing on the articling recruit while simultaneously neglecting a common method of landing an articling position; the 2L summer job. Wasting time looking for beneficial extra-curricular positions appears even more futile. Employers will hardly be impressed you did an extra-curricular over the summer while other applicants did that same extra curricular over the school year alongside course work. Perhaps landing an RAship would be worth it but how many of those are there to go around if OP doesn't have personal connections with professors and average grades? To reiterate my advice, as OP is unemployed he or she can submit applications for 2L positions, extra-curriculars, and RAships. Nonetheless, submitting 2L applications is important. I can't stand advocating the "give up and focus your attention elsewhere" theory because it just doesn't add up. It's a cop out.
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