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Everything posted by BlockedQuebecois

  1. Would that person have had the high law school debt had they chosen not to go to law school? Of course not. You're free to argue society should value education more, and that we need lower barriers to entry. I would agree with you. Hell, we may even agree on how society should do that. Where I take issue with the original post is the wording. Debt was not wrought upon the user, nobody forced them to attend law school. They made a conscious decision to attend law school, aware of the cost of tuition and funding options. They were not forced into "inhumane" debt repayment circumstances. When they took advantage of the funding options they were of sound body and mind, and aware of the terms of repayment.
  2. That's not my opinion at all, nor am I in any place to act elitist. My problem isn't with the argument that tuition should be lower (it should), or that the financial burden is large enough to force people into careers they don't want (it is). What I take issue with is the complete lack of accountability that the user displays by stating that society has "wrought" this financial burden on them. Bitch about tuition prices all you want, god knows I do, but don't pretend that going to law school was a burden forced upon you by the "neoliberal elites".
  3. Here's a comprehensive list of people that forced you to go to law school: Society hasn't wrought anything upon you, you've chosen a career path and a professional degree. The government didn't hold a gun to your head and say "go to law school or we'll kill you".
  4. With this and your "Diplock reply template" we can probably replace you with AI at this point.
  5. I have a bit of a pet theory that a fair part of U of Ts performance on Bay Street is self selection. U of T places well on Bat street, so the top students that want to go to Bay Street go to U of T, and since they're the top students they make it to Bay Street, which means that U of T performs well on Bay Street placement. Meanwhile, those students that do well at U of T and want to get to Bay Street that make it to Bay Street are the kinds of students that could get to Bay Street from most schools. This has been somewhat backed up by comments from users like Uriel with experience in that realm. It's just a theory, and I don't have any statistics to back it up, but I think it's at least a contributory factor.
  6. As far as I'm aware they aren't published anywhere, though U of T publishes their articling rates (with location data, but not field or firm size).
  7. I'm not sure how you want me to elaborate on that, outside of possibly the hypothetical I worked through with Kiamia. There are all kinds of jobs outside of bay street that pay well. Crown jobs, personal injury practice, tax law, working for the government, in-house council, becoming a judge, etc etc etc. None of those are covered by the Ultra Vires study (which actually only looks at 2L hiring - not even bay street articling jobs).
  8. Even that statement isn't necessarily true. I'd expect that over the long term the cost of law school will outpace other jobs. Let's make a hypothetical. Say it costs you 100k to attend law school and live during those three years. Let's also say you lose out on 150k in wages during that time. Both of those are high estimates, but they'll do. Let's also say you're a bit older, and you graduate from law school at 30 and work until you're 60. In those 30 years you only need to make an average of $8,330 more than you would have at your alternate career in order to break even, and any money on top of that is bonus. Based on that hypothetical I'd imagine that for the vast majority of people a JD is a worthwhile investment.
  9. You may need to up your reading comprehension... I was saying that there are jobs off bay street that pay well, reciting bay street pay structures doesn't serve as an adequate reply to my comment.
  10. You are aware that many jobs off bay street pay very well, correct?
  11. I think if you were to contact LSAC, request the hand score, and request to know if you made a bubbling error even if it wasn't going to be corrected they would be receptive to that. From what I've seen they're very accommodating if your request is reasonable and you're polite.
  12. To provide some context on the drop from 165 to 140, on the free test a 165 has a raw score of 86 while a 140 has a raw score of 40. Those numbers hold fairly steady for most of the other tests to which I have access. Using those numbers, a usual 165 test writer could stop writing at question 48 (48% of the way through the exam) and score a 140. I find it incredibly hard to believe that someone could have such a huge drop in performance due solely to anxiety without having a very evident panic attack or a history of massively under performing on examinations.
  13. I agree that all Ontario schools are probably out. Definitely out at U of T, Osgoode, Queens, and Ottawa (though I don't think I'm supposed to say words like definitely anymore). I think UVic and UBC are both out too. Not sure about TRU, I haven't got a handle on their admission criteria, but from what I've seen it's likely a no. U of C may be an option, but they average LSATs so a straight 160 wouldn't cut it. UNB may be an option, but I'm not familiar with their admission standards. Lakehead may be possible, especially with an extra year and an improved LSAT.
  14. To echo what dparkus said, chances based on LSAT and GPA alone are relatively low. Ryn's model shows that L2 doesn't have much of an effect on admission chances, suggesting Osgoode focuses primarily on cGPA. Overall, your LSAT is a point below median and your GPA is quite a bit below (Osgoode cGPA median is 3.82 per Ryn's calculator, and they note a 3.7+ to be competitive on their site). Barring a very, very strong upward trend (think straight A/A+ final year) or some truly outstanding ECs I wouldn't give you great odds. People on these boards tend to overestimate the strength of their ECs compared to their peers, but hey, maybe you really done some amazing work. Did you apply using Osgoode's diversity considerations? That may change the calculus a bit. I wish you the best of luck with your application though!
  15. Good! Anything that makes the LSAT more accessible to hopeful applicants from lower means (and those with means who would rather save their money) is an excellent move. That said, their series for the MCAT is missing several key components, and rather elementary compared to some MCAT questions. Hopefully that isn't a problem with the LSAT series.
  16. God if people are discouraged from applying to a school in Ontario because some guy on the internet told some other person on the internet that they have a near zero chance of getting into the most "elite" law school in the country, but that they'll be competitive elsewhere, I kinda doubt they'd thrive at U of T anyways. Why is my name capitalized by the way? Edit: Nevermind, after reading the rest of your posts I've concluded your caps key must be broken. All good.
  17. If we're lucky maybe Diplock will come tell us we're asking the wrong questions and that the correct question is why does U of T value LSATs before Trigger and YB get the thread locked by yelling at each other about how the LSAT is oppressive/necessary to maintain the capitalist world order.
  18. I agree, but in order for the standard deviation to be 13-15 they'd be accepting 30+ sub 154-152 applicants per year. That's why I said no way (and JohnBordeaux agrees with me, they misread my statement).
  19. Recopy all you'd like, continued spamming with splitters doesn't prove your point, it just proves you don't know the difference between the words "and" and "or". OP certainly didn't react negatively to my comment, and I've subsequently said I believe they have a good chance at many other Ontario schools. I don't think OP was at all offended by my comment.
  20. Accepting a couple of lower LSATs will barely move the median at all in a sample as large as U of Ts. Are you really arguing that U of T lets in 30+ sub 154/152 students every year? That seems incredibly unlikely.
  21. You actually didn't, Jessica, you found a comparable with outstanding ECs. Regardless, congrats. Of the ~800 admitted over the past four years you found 1. I amend my "near zero" to 0.00125%.
  22. No, you found one person with comparable stats in the past 4 years. You haven't found anyone with a lower LSAT and GPA, as per my request. You have spammed me with a whole bunch of splitters with exceptional GPAs and low LSATs or vice versa, but that doesn't help your point at all. I will happily admit that there is a roughly 1/800 chance OP gets into U of T though, based on the one example you found over the past 4 years.
  23. I was referring solely to U of T. And sorry, there's no way the standard deviation of any law school is 13-15 points on the LSAT. Even with U of T's 167 average that would mean they're accepting 16% of their class from students under 154-152, which just isn't happening.
  24. (and all others) Cool, so all people with better scores, better GPAs, or better ECs. This person being the sole exception, 3 years ago, with very impressive sounds ECs based on post history. Even if this person is a carbon copy, one person getting in does not mean that score with that GPA is "competitive". Edit: I love that your comparing someone with a below median GPA and LSAT to splitters with top 1-2% LSAT scores or near 4.0 GPAs like it actually helps your argument.
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