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Everything posted by BlockedQuebecois

  1. You should've waited an hour, this got even more relevant
  2. Nobody (sane) is hiding their family wealth from fellow law students because they’re afraid of getting jumped. That’s just as absurd as the learning about OSAP suggestion.
  3. I don’t care that you went to a US school. I care that you tried to speak authoritatively on a subject you don’t know anything about. Left unchallenged, people could have easily read your post and thought that everyone who attends an Ontario law school is having it paid for by their parents
  4. I’m critiquing the initial statement that “This was the case with every person I know who went to an Ontario law school” and his decision to try to comment authoritatively on something he has absolutely no experience with. It’s also why I said that I don’t know how you go from “every person I know” to “5-15%”. I don’t think it’s all that relevant that he backed into a lucky guess at the percent of people. What’s relevant is his unreliability on the subject.
  5. I don't really know why you're speaking so authoritatively on this subject, then. Saying that every Ontario law student you know had their expenses fully covered by their parents, and then going further and saying that those students go out of their way to obfuscate the source of their money, implies that you actually know enough Ontario law students to make these kinds of statements. Needless to say, you're incorrect. Surveys have shown that the majority of Ontario law students secure private lines of credit, the majority expect to graduate with debt, and that only 15-20% of students expect to graduate debt free. As for my subjective experience, I've found that those who have parents paying for their degrees are pretty honest about it – they don't brag, but it's not like they're pretending the shots at pub night are going on the line of credit. Nobody seems to be learning about OSAP in an attempt to hide that their family is wealthy and footing the bill. To be honest, I would judge someone much more harshly for pretending to be using debt to finance their degree than for having their parents foot the bill.
  6. I don’t know how you go from “every person I know who went to an Ontario law school had their parents pay for everything” to “5-15% of the class had the above”. A large number of law students pay their way through law school with lines of credit and student loans. I can think of only a handful of students in any given year that had their expenses fully covered by their parents.
  7. Clerking in BC can’t satisfy the articling requirements – you get one month of credit for every two months of clerking, to a maximum of ten months. Alberta is the same, Saskatchewan requires clerks to spend two months articling outside the court (although the Saskatchewan courts usually arrange this), and Nova Scotia grants six months of credit for clerks. Manitoba and PEI don’t offer national articles or clerkships in lieu of articling, and Newfoundland requires you to take a course and no articling. Ontario and Quebec are actually rather unique in allowing students to be called with just a clerkship.
  8. Yeah, I know an Ontario-based student that clerked at the BCCA and then found a big law firm in Vancouver to take her on for the five months needed to be called in BC after. No clue how PLTC worked for her. I have to imagine it’s rare, because it requires a clerkship caliber student with an interest in big law that didn’t get articles through the formal recruit. But it’s possible ETA: I’m almost certain she lined up her articles prior to clerking though. It would be very strange to wait till post-clerkship (mainly because if you’re clerking, someone should be offering you articles before then)
  9. [Emphasis added] Although I agree that the first sentence is largely correct, it's certainly possible to find articles at a big firm following your clerkship – you'll just have to put in the legwork and hunt down informal opportunities
  10. I'm almost certain that the ONCA or SCC won't allow you to complete your clerkship under a supervision agreement. Just get called.
  11. And to back this up, even though it really shouldn't require any backing up, I can say I did just fine in law school without ever doing either of the things @georgecostanzajr or @JJHarkington recommends.
  12. The People’s Temple Movement is a race, now? Or are you concerned about racism against white Americans? For readers, the quoted is incorrect. Drinking the kool aid refers to the the mass suicide of the members of the People’s Temple Movement (a cult) lead by Jim Jones. Over 900 members of the cult committed suicide by drinking a kool-aid competitor laced with cyanide following the murder of a congressman in Jonestown, the cult’s settlement. The only reason people think it’s racist is because of their own racial biases surrounding who drinks kool aid (read: blacks).
  13. I don’t think that’s right regarding late August start dates – the LSO website says candidates who start in September won’t be eligible for the June calls, and my understanding has always been that as long as you start in August you’ll be able to be called in June the following year. I imagine they’re doing it based off when all the paperwork is received. To be honest, I don’t see the big deal. The calls are starting June 10 and continuing for several weeks, which could be into July. That sucks, but the actual ceremonies were scheduled for June 16th to 25th. Some people are getting called ahead of schedule, some are getting called a bit behind schedule, I can’t imagine that’s going to have a material impact on anyone. For candidates seeking jobs, I don’t know why you wouldn’t just put “Pending administrative call in June/July 2020” or similar. I can’t imagine any law firm is going to pass on their preferred candidate because they’ll have to sign a supervision agreement pending their administrative call.
  14. OP's billable target isn't 1800 hours. That said, OP's firm still sounds pretty crummy.
  15. I would guess that the June cohort is much larger than the May one? The number of people who start articling in July is relatively small, whereas all of the large firms and many smaller employers start their articling students in August. Additionally, not everyone will have completed their ten month articling term at the same time. May would have covered essentially everyone that started at any point in July, whereas if you started August 30th, 2019, you wouldn't be done until June 20th, assuming they used all ten days off at the end of their term.
  16. Sure, you also don't "need" to bring pants. But you probably should bring both an LSC and pants
  17. I've always taken the attitude that people who concern themselves with others academic accommodations are just too insecure in their own ability to compete and do well in the course. Even if someone is unjustly getting accommodations, I'm confident enough in my own abilities that I don't need to worry about what they're doing. @Pythia, the LSO has a member assistance program which can provide you with short-term counselling and other supports. It sounds like you could use some help dealing with these intrusive thoughts and I would encourage you to reach out to them. They offer counselling both over the phone and online (via either secure chat or email platforms), as well as in person counselling once restrictions have lifted. You're eligible if you're a law student, articling candidate, or a practicing lawyer. Best of luck
  18. [Emphasis added] Go to "Call to the Bar" Third heading: Call to the Bar Fee Go to "Fees and Forms then Fee Schedule": Right there, it says: I don't know how you can possibly say that you had no notice or expectation of fees on top of the articling fees you already paid. The above has been on the LSO website for the duration of your articles. It's quite clear and easy to see that in order to be called to the bar, you have to pay the call to the bar fee, which is $250. If you didn't know about the $250, it's entirely your own fault. So no, it's not "extra". And I'm sorry, but you realize that the reason you pay a call to the bar fee isn't to pay for the ceremony or receive the certificate, right? It's for the LSO to do the work of confirming you've satisfied all of the requirements to be called to the bar. If the $250 was burdensome on you, you could have applied for the financial supports already available to articling students. You can't say it's disgusting for them to ask for more money in exchange for their services while: (i) demanding they provide said services, and (ii) not taking advantage of the programs set up to help you if you don't have the money.
  19. $250 + HST is the usual call to the bar fee. I agree that it sucks if you happened to draw the short straw and pay the full cost, but sometimes life is like that. By all means email the LSO and see if they'll refund you the $55. The LSO already has plenty of programs available to licensees to help make the licensing process more affordable – there's no reason for them to blanket defer payments. If the $250 was a financial burden for you, you could have applied for assistance under the repayable allowance system. Nobody is being charged anything extra. I don't know where you're getting that idea.
  20. Anyways, this whole aside about whether or not the employer is in the right or not is silly. OP stated that it was clearly communicated to them that "billable", for the purposes of this firm, meant "charged and collected". That seems like a rather clear indication that the "rightful conclusion" is not, in fact, that every hour of work typically thought of as "billable" is billable – rather, only the work charged and collected. And since charged and collected has two levels of discretion – whether it's charged by the billing lawyer and whether it's paid by the client – OP hardly has any right to complain that his "employer should not be entitled rely on the fact the condition wasn’t realized in order apply a sanction on the employee". @obviousthrowaway2018, your firms billing target practices are very different from the typical bay street firm practices, but the idea of judging associate performance/compensation off of actual billed work, or even off collected work, isn't entirely outside the mainstream for smaller firms. You seem principally concerned that this will affect your performance review – have you raised the issue with anyone at your firm? If you have someone in charge of your review, or even just a formal mentor, this might be worth bringing to their attention now. If it's normal firm practice, then you're going to have to make a decision regarding whether the amount of work you'll need to do to meet target is worthwhile. But if it's not normal practice, getting out ahead of it before a potential review will make you look proactive and prevent you from looking like you're scrounging for excuses come review time.
  21. How to give negligent legal advice on the internet: a summary
  22. Things are likely a bit different when the creditor can fire the debtor
  23. Call me crazy, but $195 plus having some documents commissioned strikes me as less of a hassle than $250, having some documents commissioned, renting/buying robes, and attending the ceremony. The LSO seems to be being pretty reasonable and requesting the bare minimum here. I’m actually pretty impressed with the way they’ve handled all the licensing decisions so far.
  24. Nobody cares about your GPA, particularly because of the huge variance in GPA systems between schools. People look at the letter grades. And anyone looking at those two transcripts would assume that Student A was stronger, which is true. The better example are two students with three B+s, with student A getting two Bs, which she shows, and student B getting two Cs, which he hides. In that case, student B looks better from a GPA perspective, but any reasonable person viewing the transcript would assume, correctly, that student A is better
  25. Most people generally do, you know, something during their summers. Whether that's working, volunteering, hiking, traveling, whatever. If you're just going to sit at home and build legos or something, you'll have a hard time giving an honest and interesting answer to the question "what did you do last summer?" COVID-19 will probably result in more people doing nothing than usual, but don't be surprised if a firm likes "I worked with Conquer COVID to help frontline workers gain access to PPE and other priority items" more than "I chilled at the lakehouse with the guys and played flip cup".
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