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  1. I’m so confused, which of these essentially anonymous throwaway accounts should I believe?! More seriously, does whether or not Goodmans has communicated a specific hireback date to their students actually matter to anyone except students at Goodmans?
  2. They pay $117,000 annualized, so they essentially do. Unless NALP is wrong.
  3. I don’t think you really understand what the Windsor dual JD is. You seem to think it’s some kind of valuable degree that is worth additional money. It isn’t. It’s a predatory program of last resort for Canadian students desperate to attend a Canadian (or at Ontarian) law school. There is not a “good percentage” of dual students who think it’s a valuable program. They all know it’s a predatory program, they all know the Detroit Mercy degree is a waste of paper, and they all know it’s not worth the additional tuition. Windsor’s dual program doesn’t have to let people outside it’s top students transfer to the single JD because those students are unlikely to be able to transfer into any other faculty in the country. They don’t need to worry about being the bad guy who traps students in the dual because they already are the bad guy who offers the most predatory law degree in Canada.
  4. After discussing via PM, I can confirm (with their permission) that @delije89 works at a large national firm.
  5. So which firms? You said “many” firms are doing this, so there shouldn’t be anonymity problems with sharing. Feel free to omit your own firm from the list if that’s a concern. Naming the firms will really establish whether or not the firms are “national”, which seemed to be what everyone disagrees about.
  6. What part do you think is accurate? I haven’t heard of any national firms refusing to give the usual lockstep raises to their associates. And that’s the kind of thing that would be shared fairly quickly, considering: (i) it suggests real liquidity issues at the firm; (ii) it would be essentially determinative of that firm’s reputation in the marketplace; and (iii) it would be without precedent. It was well before my time, so someone who was around then can feel free to correct me, but I don’t believe that happened even in the midst of the Great Recession. To have it happen during a year where the Toronto offices of most national firms have gone gangbusters would be truly bizarre If you’ve heard of national firms doing this, can you share which ones?
  7. What, you mean you think it’s weird to point to somewhere that has strictly enforced defamation laws that criminalize the publication of factually accurate information (i.e. South Korea) as a place that is more “free” than Canada?
  8. I graduated last year, so I'm probably in the best position I ever will be to do one of these. As a preliminary disclaimer, my experience with the zoom aspect was in the back half of my last semester, so I just didn't care about it at all. I'm also going to focus on things that, I think, set Osgoode apart from many other schools, particularly in Ontario. Every school has a "collegial environment" and fun clubs. I can't tell you if Osgoode's environment is more or less collegial than Queens, because I didn't do 1L at both schools. So me saying it does doesn't help you. Clinics – This was ultimately why I attended Osgoode, and I think it is Osgoode's one real defining characteristic compared to other schools. Osgoode offers a ton of clinics. Some of them are better than others—looking at you, Osgoode Business Clinic—but the overall quality is quite high and the number/diversity is unmatched by any Canadian law school. Career Prospects – Osgoode is one of a handful of schools in Canada that offers its graduates the ability to work anywhere in (English-speaking) Canada in more or less any setting. This isn't so much about Osgoode opening doors to you (I don't think any schools except perhaps McGill and U of T truly "open" doors that would otherwise be closed). Rather, it's about not closing doors before you've had the chance to prove you deserve to be considered. When it comes to hiring out of law school, either for summers or articling, there are firms that will just never consider applicants from certain schools. Bay Street Hiring – If you're dead set on working on Bay Street, don't speak French, and don't get into U of T, you should attend Osgoode. It routinely beats out the other non-U of T schools for placement rate in both the 1L and 2L recruits. (Appellate) Clerkships –This builds off the point about not closing doors, but Osgoode places a relatively large number of students at the ONSC, ONCA and SCC each year. It also does well with placing students in the Alberta and BC clerkship programs, although the raw numbers are lower due to a lack of interest in clerking out-of-province. You're still going to need very strong grades to get an appellate clerkship, and above average grades for a trial level clerkship, but all else being equal, your odds of getting a clerkship are better at Osgoode than a lot of other schools. Adjunct Professors – Osgoode benefits from a strong alumni network that includes a lot of alumni who serve as adjunct professors at the school. Osgoode is also purportedly located in Toronto. What that means for you is that you're going to have access to a lot of high end, practicing lawyers to learn from. Almost more importantly, it means you're going to be networking with high end, practicing lawyers regularly, many of whom can either give you a job or help you get one. I know people who articled at top litigation boutiques, top criminal law firms, and top family law firms who ended up there because one of the partners at the firm happened to serve as adjunct profs for trial advocacy or some similar course. Joint Programs – Osgoode offers four joint programs, including a joint program with U de M that lets you get a civil law degree with one additional year of study. I didn't do a joint program, but I heard nothing but good things from those who did. I also know several people who spun the JD/MES degree into articling positions at top firms practicing environmental law, which is otherwise quite difficult to break into. I imagine the JD/MES was instrumental in them receiving those jobs. Financial Aid (Your Mileage May Vary) – Osgoode has an overall pretty generous financial aid program, and a decent selection of upper year scholarships. I received an average of $13,000 or so per year from Osgoode, factoring in bursaries, scholarships, and course prizes. How much you get will vary depending on your financial need and academic performance, but it brings the price down to be relatively comparable to the other Ontario schools. Or at least, it did for me. Course Selection – Osgoode has what I understand to be the widest selection of courses available in any school across Canada. That means you can really customize your experience and tailor your course selection to your career. I considered applying for a letter of permission to UBC or UVic during 3L, and unfortunately found those schools didn't have the diversity of course offerings I had come to expect from my school (not to knock those schools; I'd take fewer courses in exchange for a 14k tuition cut). I took a lot of general courses, but people I know (particularly those who were passionate about family or crim) essentially only took courses in their area of interests in 2 and 3L. Diversity – Osgoode's class is one of the more diverse classes in Canada. There is still room for a lot of improvement, particularly when it comes to socioeconomic diversity, but the school is trying and it's reflected in the student body. As an example, Osgoode is the only university in Ontario that admitted more black students than their proportion of the populating in Ontario during the last two years. If you're a member of a minority group, Osgoode has very well funded clubs that can provide some really wonderful mentorship and networking opportunities (this also applies to women – OWN has a lot of good events). The JCR – I know what you're thinking: "BQ, did you run out of things to say and so you're resorting to mentioning the Wednesday night pop-up pub located in the law school where you routinely got drunk before going to class?" Yes. Yes I did. But, it's a fun and relatively unique part of Osgoode culture. You go, you buy a shot, you buy a beer, you sneak it out of the JCR and into your Securities Litigation class. Suddenly, being at school until 8:00 pm learning about National Instrument 51-102 is palatable. And it's the day before Thursday pub nights, so if you're doing it right you can just think of it as a pre-game for that!* *Don't do that. Drinking for more than 24 hours straight is generally inadvisable. As for the strikes, they're really what you make of them. I had a strike in my 1L year. All the profs went to online teaching, although you could still attend in class for most of them, if you wanted. You could also pass/fail your courses for that semester if you wanted. For some students it added a lot of stress, but I found it to be relatively chill.
  9. You’re free to say what you want on this forum (at least in so far as the mods don’t stop you). I’ve tried to suggest gently that you might want to consider these kinds of comments, and commenting on things you don’t know about, more carefully. But you should know that it’s very easy to piece together who someone is from their post histories, and posts like this, where you call some schools “bottom feeders” and your “thanks baby” style comments are the kind of thing that make people want to spend the five minutes perusing your post history and looking on LinkedIn for you. I say that as someone who made more than my share of dumb, ill considered comments that I regret on this forum before, particularly when I was a 1L. I hope that people don’t hold those comments against me, and that my decision to be more thoughtful in my responses will convince those that would hold it against me that I’m no longer that person or hold those beliefs. But it’s a lot easier if you just don’t burn that social capital in the first place. Just some food for thought, I’m going to tap out of this thread now.
  10. Watching a 1L tell someone with an appellate clerkship about how some people deserve appellate clerkships more than others is almost as entertaining as the time that same 1L told a bunch of practicing lawyers about the job market for practicing lawyers. ETA: To perhaps be substantively helpful here, people at the top of their class at most schools will be at the top of their class at other schools. I was at the top of my class at Osgoode, and I know medalists from other schools, including ones perceived as better or worse than mine. I’ve personally never felt any of them were less intelligent than me. They’re all very bright, talented individuals who could easily have pushed me down a spot in the rankings at my school. And I think people who don’t know what they’re talking about on this subject, like 1Ls who don’t even have a clue whether they’d get an interview for a clerkship yet, let alone actually receive one, should probably refrain from commenting on the intelligence of people who get them and how difficult it is to be at the top of your class.
  11. I’m confused. Is @HopefulLawyer97 concerned that he will have to compete with Ryerson grads? Or is he concerned that Ryerson grads are all incompetent bumbling fools? That’s the real dividing line in this thread, if you read between the lines. Those who are strongly opposed to Ryerson are afraid of the increased competition due to their insecurity (though I’m sure they’ll take issue with me using the words “afraid” and “insecurity”). Those of us who don’t care about Ryerson are either: (1) sufficiently removed from their graduation cycle that we will not have to compete with them for at least a decade, or (2) confident enough in our abilities that we’re not concerned about the minor increase in competition.
  12. You gotta stop using a colon like that. It hurts my heart
  13. Not to pick on you, but this is an excellent example of why @albertabean's suggestion regarding more diverse adcomms, and why U of T's recent decision to launch the Black Student Application Process, are so essential. It's okay to be uncomfortable when reading or hearing racial slurs. Most people are. And often, when black or other minority writers use racial slurs, it's supposed to make you uncomfortable. But your job as an adcomm member is to look past the discomfort you feel and consider the actual merits of the application and the reason the applicant chose to outline that particular experience. To say that it is never appropriate to use a racial slur in a personal statement—let alone to issue a blanket prohibition on referring to the slur, doing anything remotely close to referring to the slur, or "danc[ing] around" the slur—is incredibly problematic. To go so far as to say you would oppose a qualified applicant's admission solely because they refer to a racial slur is only more so (and that's without getting into your suggestion that discussing difficult topics head on is indicative of a lack of cleverness). A lot of good personal statements are going to talk about things that make you uncomfortable. That might be racial slurs, but it also might be other "mature" topics, such as sexual assault, child abuse, or one's experience in refugee camps. And while good applicants will use those experiences to demonstrate positive qualities—such as resilience or a desire to positively alter social institutions—they're also going to have to actually address those situations in order to do so effectively. The reason it's inadvisable for OP to include racial slurs in their personal statement is because, unfortunately, some adcomm members are going to draw this type of negative inference or are otherwise going to be unable to read past their discomfort. And the stakes for the individual are sufficiently high that it's not worth the risk, even though the problem is truly with the adcomm who is rendered so uncomfortable by the relation of someone's lived experience that they are unable to do their job.
  14. I’ve understood how “this thing” works since it was announced two years ago: I added the clarification because it’s clear you didn’t.
  15. Your credibility in the Western v Ryerson thread was seriously harmed by your lack of knowledge on this topic, such as when you seemed to suggest Ryerson invented the LPP, rather than simply winning the contract to implement it. Your misapprehension of key facts is coming out again here. Why on earth do you think a “large number of Ryerson grads” will rely on the LPP when they don’t need to article*? I really think you should consider refraining from commenting on these topics until you have a better grasp of the issues at play. Your comments in other areas are often quite useful, but you don’t seem to understand pretty basic things about Ryerson’s law school. *ETA: or complete the LPP. They just need to pass the bar exams.
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