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  1. Just to provide some Osgoode context, we have the Entertainment and Sports Law Club that also runs the annual Entertainment and Sports Law Conference, a well attended event that puts you in front of Cassels Brock, Goodmans and a lot of in-house counsel that practice in the entertainment and production space in Toronto (since so many movies are filmed here - Entertainment One, Boat Rocker Media). https://oesla.ca There's also an upper year course for the subject: https://www.osgoode.yorku.ca/courses-and-seminars/entertainment-sports-law/ I think Osgoode will allow you to network more with people in the practice, just because you are in the city (if you are the type that knows how to take advantage of networking). Like the others have mentioned, Western is an excellent choice too.
  2. I'm a proponent that good writing comes from reading a lot of other good writing. I love this book. It's entertaining to read and gives you a flavour of good writing: https://www.amazon.ca/Point-Made-Write-Nations-Advocates/dp/0199943850
  3. https://www.zsa.ca/salary-guide/ Most people would say this ZSA guide is broadly accurate
  4. Some things I've observed after two summers with a firm. On point #1, try not to lead with "I am too busy". Make sure you are putting yourself in the shoes of the associate and making sure they know you are trouble-shooting on their behalf. If you are truly very busy, in order of helpfulness, consider (i) agreeing to take on the research, but proposing an alternative deadline that works for both of you - often the "real" client deadline is much later than you think and the associate has simply built in buffer and then (ii) truly expressing that you cannot take on the file, but you can find another student/teaming up with another student to look into it. On point #2, you have to make sure you are not reinventing the wheel each time, there are simply too many blind spots. Before you start running search strings, check: (i) Your internal firm database to see if anything has been written on the topic prior - even if it is not on the nose, something related will point you towards the chain of seminal cases - plagiarism doesn't exist when it's coming from within the firm; (ii) Asking the Associate/Law Librarian for a good seminal book (Waddams on Contracts for example) where you can start your research into that particular area of law; (iii) Using the "Browse Legal Topics" or "Words and Phrases" item on WestLaw before boolean search so that you can get a feel on that area of law; and (iv) Noting up the specific statute and pin-point reference on WestLaw to see what case law has arisen out of it if the research is attached to a statute. Remember, your job isn't to know everything. Your job is the rapid ability to get up to speed on a topic (efficiently), complexity reduction and being a safe confidence inspiring pair of hands. Keep a list of all your research avenues and search strings that you've used so that your associate has confidence you've checked under the right rocks. Keep at it!
  5. For what it's worth, UofT JD/MBAs are the only JD/MBA students I see place consistently across law, finance and consulting. Check linkedin. The 3 years for Ivey is a bit of a misnomer, as it eats into one of your summers and thus your opportunity to recruit for something other than law OCIs. There is no rush - with UofT, you can recruit two summers for law/finance or otherwise. You sound like someone with a lot of ambition, but no set direction yet. The UofT JD/MBA is built targeting people like you.
  6. If you are interested in the Toronto market, then Western. If you are actually interested in working in Calgary, then UofC.
  7. Prestige won't be factor except to lay people that aren't in the law - they are more likely to have "heard" of Osgoode. Other than that, I can guarantee no one practicing law will view you any differently. Queens is a respected school. Kingston is a lovely town and has a tight-knit campus with good school spirit. Since you are fully bilingual, you'll have a number of opportunities to recruit for the Ottawa/Toronto/Montreal markets as well, of which Queens is well-situated for geographically. If housing is indeed a big factor for you, I think I should point out that most students at Osgoode do not live on-campus or even necessarily in North York. Since "York University" is now on the subway line, you'll have several excellent and exciting living options within 30-40 mins on the subway. A lot of students live in the St.Clair West neighbourhood for example. You can Google a bit and see if there are rentals there that you are comfortable with and within your price range. Several are reasonable options, especially if you have 1-2 roommates. Congratulations on your options!
  8. If your goal is to work in these firms in an investing capacity (rather than as legal counsel), you won't make it as a JD, even with a M&A law background - you simply don't have the modelling, financial analysis and finance acumen required. M&A lawyers certainly go into PE/VC roles, but typically when they are very senior and well-connected. JDs who go into PE and Banking roles earlier in their career are almost always JD/MBAs and/or have taken investment banking jobs post-graduation or not long thereafter, like these folks: https://www.oncap.com/oncap-team/nicholas-moritsugu.html https://www.oncap.com/oncap-team/eugene-polevoy.html
  9. I'm just curious (and definitely no need to answer in insane detail) what number of hours qualified you for 5% - 10% - 15% - 20% - 25% - 30%? And is it solely via hours billed?
  10. Depending on the year, there may be something like 0-3 full-service firms doing an Articling intake. It's also not uncommon to see Associates lateral in to a big firm. Most often than not, they are in a specialty group such as Environmental/Municipal, Construction, Condominium, Trade and the like. It's a crappy feeling, but like the above posters have all noted, there are plenty of ways to a rewarding career, and to a full-service firm if you are still keen on it. Keep developing your practice interests and keeping in touch with people in that field.
  11. It takes time. To have a diverse and female Partnership, you need diverse and female 7th and 8th year Associates, and to have that, you need diverse and female Articling Students who want to stick around that long. All of these inclusion initiatives (in addition to things like the LAWS program mentioned above that is being invested in) take time to incubate - and on a far-longer timeline than simply from when you were in 1L. Look at the conversations the firms are willing to have and to host. Look not only to if they have diverse and female partners, but if they have these people in leadership positions at the firm. Do they speak? Are they marketed and supported and boosted? Look at firms that are willing to admit their short-fallings rather than shadow-box, and which ones invest real time, effort and money into addressing them. And eventually the firms will start looking closer to the city we live in.
  12. 100% this. Even in the summer, you'll be surprised at the leniency you may be afforded to try out different areas, so long as you are keen enough to get these types of experiences.
  13. Obviously it depends, but most people will tell you something like 9:30am to 6:30pm - 7:30pm on weekdays, with a few later nights per month (like to midnight) and maybe 5-10 additional hours on the weekend. Articling usually a bit worse than this. Litigation practice hours are a bit more predictable and corporate hours are a bit more up and down.
  14. I don't work at Davies, but I always found their recruiting to be very effective. They always got the type of students who wanted to work there to self-select their way into the firm. I can't say that for every firm, where some students just end up there because that's where they had an offer. That's really what good recruiting is - not just casting the widest net. I don't think you'll work significantly more hours at Davies. However, I do think they are known for being particularly responsive (even by Big Law standards). Also, the type of work the firm does is mainly high-stakes transactional work that demand a strict timeline, and it's a relatively small-firm actually in terms of headcount. All these factors could mean a slightly more intense experience, thus the reputation. The surest way to vet the firm is to speak to a critical mass of students there. If you are already questioning whether or not you would happy to work there at this stage of the game, I would give it careful thought.
  15. As an Associate, the billable target is just that - a target for your "billable" time. However, firms may also have targets for non-billable (i.e. docketable time) for things like business development, volunteering, writing articles etc. that goes into your target + review. Different firms have different targets, but I've seen/heard something like 1700 Billable Hours + 200 Non-Billable Hours as an annual target. As an Articling student, I wouldn't sweat this distinction too much. Build relationships and make sure you are known as someone reliable and who works hard within the firm. In my opinion, ANY work you submit during Articling (whether docketable or not) is fair game, up for review and will generate an impression towards you - as such, you should strive for quality in every piece of work. If a Partner is asking you to write a white-paper for marketing purposes for example, you may impress them just the same if it is well-written, well-researched and well-presented, even if it is ultimately non-billable. Similarly, they will certainly remember it negatively if your work is sloppily put together. Conversely, you may pour hours and hours into a document review project (all billable, at 100% efficiency), but you may receive little credit for it at the end of the week. It may even get written down! Try to docket/bill more than the average articling student, get a broad mix of billable/docketable tasks, and build your rep and you'll do great.
  16. A path I have seen is transitioning to an Associate role in Investment Banking from a law practice group like Securities or M&A (check linkedin profiles, it's not common but it happens). You'll have to network and prove you know the finance and accounting fundamentals cold to make it happen. After two years of that, it's conceivable you could transition to PE. Keep in mind, most PE firms still want Analysts (not Associates). The Analysts almost always have much better technical (modelling and ppt) skills, are younger/hungrier, more moldable and are cheaper than Associates.
  17. More so in terms of having a career, but cognizant of the fact that larger groups typically hire more associates.
  18. Thinking ahead to articling, I was curious as to how lawyers on this forum decided to rank their practice groups for hireback and how they chose the practice area that they eventually ended up in. For some context, I'm very interested in a smaller practice group at my firm (think IP, Tax, Real Estate, Competition, Employment) but unsure whether it would be more prudent to attach myself to a larger practice group with potentially better hire-back rates and exit opportunities (think Commercial Litigation, Securities, Corporate etc). Basically, I have some Fear of Missing Out. How did you decide on your practice group? Off the top of my head, I can think of the hours, your comfort level with the work and your fit with the team as important factors. What if you didn't land you first choice group and was offered your 2nd or 3rd choice? What were some criteria that you overvalued or wished you paid more attention to when you made your choice?
  19. The answer above is really good comprehensive advice. I screenshot this page from a US law school forum back when I was in 1L and tried to stick with it as best as I could through all my exams (recognizing time constraints etc.), to decent effect. For further nuance, I think what really separates the "B+" answer from an "A" answer is (once you have already identified arguments on both sides) a thoughtful evaluation of the relative strength of each argument and what ultimately the issue should "turn" on. Is it indeed a narrower set of facts that tilts us in one direction? Or an important policy consideration? Or a more persuasive jurisdiction, more recent case etc - and explain why.
  20. If you can find a roommate and stomach a two-bedroom - $1200 per month is more than doable.
  21. 1. Always ask for a deadline. Some lawyers will tell give you an assignment and tell you something to the effect of "get this to back to me when you can". PUSH for a real deadline, whether it is in person or over email. Assignments boomerang back on you without notice. You may have thought you had a week, but the lawyer could be asking you for your memo after 3 days. Having that deadline in place keeps both parties accountable 2. Ask how your task fits into the bigger picture of the file. Let's be real, Summer Students get a lot of "discrete" tasks (running a closing checklist, doing due diligence, researching one incredibly obscure legal issue). Try to get clarity (if the lawyers have time) on how your task fits into the file. First, this will help you do your job better. For example, if you are filing a motion to get an injunction, maybe your research on the legal issue assigned to you comes up empty, but knowing the end goal of the client, you are able to find other supporting cases that support injunction via a different argument. Second, you'll pull more from your summer experience and your keenness will reflect well on you as something that is eager to learn, not just slogging through task after task. 3. Aim to do work correctly, not quickly. I've seen some students try to finish work a day or two before a deadline to impress a lawyer. This will not impress anyone. In order of preference, it is better to do something (1) on-time and correctly; (2) late but correctly; (3) early but incorrectly. No brownie points for finishing way earlier unless it is clearly expressed as such. 4. Keep a spreadsheet of all your work and deals. You'll be amazed how many things you work on over 10-15 weeks. Keep a log of every lawyer you worked for, the task you did, the overall client and file matter number and how long it took you. This will be useful come review time and it may help you follow up with lawyers and files in subsequent work terms. 4. Make life easier/be a service provider. As a strategic rather than tactical point, a good junior lawyer (imo) is sort of like a great server at a fine-dining restaurant - someone that anticipates their clients' needs without being overbearing. Your clients as a summer student are the partner and associates who assign you work, who in turn, have their own clients. You should be attentive, see what is on their plate and make their lives as smooth as possible without being too distracting (popping your head in their office every twice a day to ask if they need help).
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