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  1. Anyone know if firms are applying these raises to this year's incoming articling class as well? Or solely to next year's articling class?
  2. If one additional firm blinks and follows the move to $1,700, I think that'll be the domino to tip it across Bay Street.
  3. Really friggin motivated 1L students, ones that will be doing more than the 2-3 hours per day that OP is aiming for
  4. No. Don't assume anything. Your LSAT score won't mean anything at the start of 1L, at Queens or Windsor or otherwise. I've seen a lot of overconfident students believe they can be at the top of the class. Math says otherwise. Only 20% of students are in the top 20% of the class. 80% of students are not going to be there. You also see yourself doing "2-3 hours of work a day" per your original post. I promise that there will be many many smart, motivated students at Windsor (with good 1L summaries to boot) studying 3x or even 4x the amount you are planning to study per day. Are you going to bank on being in the top 1/5th of students in that scenario? If you're set on BigLaw, plan on working hard, having no regrets towards your effort level in 1L, networking and chatting with people in the industry, and knowing that there are no guarantees no matter what school you choose.
  5. I guess all you can conclusively say is that Stikeman has a great real estate team. I guess my overall point would be that these rankings are "directionally" useful, but not "definitively" useful. Many times, I don't think any Band 1 firm can definitively call themselves head and shoulders above any other Band 2 firm (save for exceptions like Goodmans Restructuring and Blakes Competition or something like that). However, a Band 1 firm is probably almost always more sophisticated than a Band 4 firm in the same area. Good data point, but it would be smart to do more research to get a better feel. If you are really interested in Real Estate for example, you would look at the rankings, but also the Partner profiles on the website to see 1) how many Partners they have as a proxy of how large that practice is at the firm and 2) scroll through their experience to see the type of client roster that they regularly service.
  6. I think they're relevant, but far from definitive. A Band 1 firm probably has more expertise and does more volume of work than a Band 4 firm in the same area. But is that firm any better than a Band 2 firm? Should that be the basis for where you choose to work? Not necessarily so. First of all, know that these rankings are marketing fodder that firms submit to because they know clients and students care about it (practicing lawyers a bit less so). I know at my firm for example, our Business Development department expends significant amounts of time and effort just putting together applications, granting interviews and submitting packages every year to submit to Lexpert, Chambers etc. Takes up months out of their year doing this. Second, these rankings don't capture complexity and expertise. I think an issue is that these ranking publications over-index on corporate over litigation, and they over-index on "large deals". A very vanilla capital markets offering for $2 billion or something gets more weight in these rankings than a highly negotiated, super nuanced $150 million acquisition for example. The smaller deal may require better lawyering skills and may even lead to higher billings for the firm, but these things are not captured in the rankings.
  7. Haha probably accurate
  8. I'm a JD/MBA grad. You'll get like 0-2 1L interviews with those grades as a JD/MBA, so I wouldn't bank on 1L recruit, it's competitive. The MBA will help you out a lot more for OCIs the year after. I've seen students with grades similar to yours with 7-12 OCIs, most landing offers. Other than that, you should evaluate the cost, extra time and work associated with the MBA to determine whether its worth it.
  9. Completely overkill to pursue a CFA lol. There are a select number of PE firms in Toronto that frequently do buyouts (I'm assuming that's the market you are interested in). Fund formation is another matter, but I assume you mean PE buyouts. A select number of firms dominate the roster of Toronto PE clients. I guess you would want to target those firms. Torys has the OTPP, CPPIB and Clairvest relationships, which are great PE firms and clients. I think Torys is one of the firms where lawyers are specifically placed in PE practice groups. Goodmans has the ONEX relationship (Canada's largest PE firm, just bought West Jet yesterday). Davies has MM players like Torquest, Birch Hill and Ironbridge and represents high-end US PE firms (KKR, Apollo) making Canadian acquisitions all the time. If you're really interested in the space, keep up with the news (Lexpert, Ny Times Dealbook), some of the lingo and apply to these firms. But otherwise, I don't see you doing anything different than you would normally do to try to get Big Law OCIs (grades, clubs, extracurriculars).
  10. Just to provide some Osgoode context, we have the Entertainment and Sports Law Club that also runs the annual Entertainment and Sports Law Conference, a well attended event that puts you in front of Cassels Brock, Goodmans and a lot of in-house counsel that practice in the entertainment and production space in Toronto (since so many movies are filmed here - Entertainment One, Boat Rocker Media). https://oesla.ca There's also an upper year course for the subject: https://www.osgoode.yorku.ca/courses-and-seminars/entertainment-sports-law/ I think Osgoode will allow you to network more with people in the practice, just because you are in the city (if you are the type that knows how to take advantage of networking). Like the others have mentioned, Western is an excellent choice too.
  11. I'm a proponent that good writing comes from reading a lot of other good writing. I love this book. It's entertaining to read and gives you a flavour of good writing: https://www.amazon.ca/Point-Made-Write-Nations-Advocates/dp/0199943850
  12. https://www.zsa.ca/salary-guide/ Most people would say this ZSA guide is broadly accurate
  13. Some things I've observed after two summers with a firm. On point #1, try not to lead with "I am too busy". Make sure you are putting yourself in the shoes of the associate and making sure they know you are trouble-shooting on their behalf. If you are truly very busy, in order of helpfulness, consider (i) agreeing to take on the research, but proposing an alternative deadline that works for both of you - often the "real" client deadline is much later than you think and the associate has simply built in buffer and then (ii) truly expressing that you cannot take on the file, but you can find another student/teaming up with another student to look into it. On point #2, you have to make sure you are not reinventing the wheel each time, there are simply too many blind spots. Before you start running search strings, check: (i) Your internal firm database to see if anything has been written on the topic prior - even if it is not on the nose, something related will point you towards the chain of seminal cases - plagiarism doesn't exist when it's coming from within the firm; (ii) Asking the Associate/Law Librarian for a good seminal book (Waddams on Contracts for example) where you can start your research into that particular area of law; (iii) Using the "Browse Legal Topics" or "Words and Phrases" item on WestLaw before boolean search so that you can get a feel on that area of law; and (iv) Noting up the specific statute and pin-point reference on WestLaw to see what case law has arisen out of it if the research is attached to a statute. Remember, your job isn't to know everything. Your job is the rapid ability to get up to speed on a topic (efficiently), complexity reduction and being a safe confidence inspiring pair of hands. Keep a list of all your research avenues and search strings that you've used so that your associate has confidence you've checked under the right rocks. Keep at it!
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