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  1. You'll be surprised at how many students stop caring about school once they've secured positions. 3LOL is the commonly referred to acronym. My friends were happy to just pass their courses and many took the pass/fail option when York went on strike.
  2. I went to law school at a relatively young age and believe that it made me a more grounded, humble, and mature person. Law school and the path to becoming a licensed lawyer in itself is a life experience.
  3. How would they know that OP got into their second school without disclosing all previous transcripts?
  4. It's possible. I know the LLM program is smaller at 20-30 students and my source is directly from a UK law grad that did this program. I imagine the GPLLM program is larger but can't be anywhere close to Osgoode LLM's numbers.
  5. https://digitalcommons.osgoode.yorku.ca/annual_reports/ 2016/2017 - https://digitalcommons.osgoode.yorku.ca/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1014&context=annual_reports - p.18 · Professional LLM (excluding the LLM in International Business Law and Canadian Common Law programs) enrollment averaged more than 250 students per term. · Thirty-nine students from more than two dozen countries were enrolled in the LLM in International Business Law. · The LLM in Canadian Common Law program had more than 100 students per term of which 61% were full-time and 39% part-time. 2017/2018 - https://digitalcommons.osgoode.yorku.ca/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1015&context=annual_reports - p.20 · Professional LLM (excluding the LLM in International Business Law and Canadian Common Law programs) enrollment averaged more than 200 students per term. · Over 50 students from more than a dozen different jurisdictions were enrolled in the LLM in International Business Law. · The LLM in Canadian Common Law program had more than 140 students, of which two-thirds were full-time and one-third were part-time. I went to Osgoode and know people who did the LLM program. It's viewed as a degree mill by most employers here. That's not to take away from your anecdotal experiences of course as each case is different, but this is generally what I have seen. U of T LLM is more difficult to get into and class size is around 20-30 students. Compare this to Osgoode LLM's 100+ and you have a clear answer. I don't know anything about the U of T GPLLM and how it compares to their LLM, but the students I know that did them were in better shape than the average Osgoode LLM graduate.
  6. OP, do you think anyone in Canada will care what Kent is ranked in the UK? It's not LSE or Oxbridge. That program will accept literally anyone out of high school.
  7. I know many lawyers from India working for small firms or soles in the Toronto and Peel regions (many in Brampton and Mississauga). Having prior experience practicing law does seem to help the corporate lawyers land in-house positions with corporations, banks, and financial institutions. It's an uphill battle as there are many foreigners now entering the Canadian legal market but doable. To answer the OP's question, avoid the Osgoode LLM at all cost. Try to get into U of T or UBC. Most foreign trained lawyers doing an LLM in Canada go to Osgoode and they accept everyone (LLM not JD), so it dilutes the reputation of the degree.
  8. What's stopping you from taking one test? Nobody here can predict anything without an LSAT score. If you can't be bothered to write it, then the answer is no, you never really gave yourself a chance.
  9. +1 I know a number of A students currently at Bay Street/New York firms that did not get CLASP, Parkdale, and other intensives. Some folks here are placing a heavy emphasis on grades for clinics that are focused on social justice and poverty law work. You have to interview for many of these clinics. I can assure you that many of the students (at least in my year) who went to work on Bay did not have the personality, drive, focus, or "fit" for clinics like CLASP. Their A's are meaningless when they have to do intakes with new clients with mental health issues. I imagine the criminal intensives to be the same as well. To rephrase the OP's question, I think they need to differentiate between clinics that are the hardest to get into based on volume of applicants, demonstrated interest, and "fit," and clinics that are grades heavy only (which I think only the Davies business workshops are). I know people who did the investor protection clinic, IP intensive, and business clinic with more than one C. They also look for demonstrated interest and you can be a JD/MBA with numerous C's and they'll take you in a heartbeat. Students with B averages and more than one C grade land permanent jobs in full-service firms and government. Why would they not land a clinical program in law school provided that they have a good application and interview skills? 20-25% of Osgoode students have to get a C/C+ in any given course with D's being discretionary up to 5%. Does this mean that a quarter of the student body would not have the chance to gain volunteering experiences, clinics, RA work, etc. in law school? What else are they paying the school 26k/year for?
  10. It could also be that I just see more junior positions for PI and insurance than I do the others. I've heard the above to be true from my friends working in these fields currently. I don't have much to add other than to say - hang in there. It's a tough market and many new calls are looking for positions at this time.
  11. There is not enough information here to help you make a decision. Why else do you want to go to Western besides the fact that it's a little closer to Toronto than Queen's? Does this really matter given the fact that Western is still 3 hours away?
  12. I can't remember what the reason was, but Parkdale received fewer applications last year than in previous years. Normally, it is one of the most competitive clinics to get into with far more applicants than spots available. Quite a few of the clerks/medalists and top of the class students in my year did Parkdale.
  13. This is a tough question to answer. I didn't enjoy law school, but miss the freedom and relatively low anxiety as well. I enjoy my work and feel like I'm doing something productive and meaningful, but I don't enjoy having to stick to a routine that I cannot miss. I could afford to miss classes and do readings at my own leisure in school, but you have a set schedule to stick to in work. It also sucks if you're commuting a long distance to work, as opposed to living on or near campus at school.
  14. I don't know because numerous posters in the past here have commented on Queen's higher than normal curve - they reward more B+ and A grades, with very few C's, than most other law schools in the country.
  15. http://ultravires.ca/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Ultra-Vires-Toronto-Summer-2019-Recruitment-Special.pdf (p.6-7) Fewer than 40 students out of 250 land at Biglaw firms from Windsor every year. Take from that what you will. You also make a lot of assumptions in your post about the "difficulty" level of Windsor. It's law school. Your undergraduate stats are irrelevant once you get to law school. I had exceptional stats in undergrad (much higher than your own) and people who barely scraped their way into law school did better than me academically. Never presume to know how you will perform in law school before you have even stepped foot in there.
  16. If you want to do immigration, go to Ottawa.
  17. You most likely will not be working at a large firm in Toronto if you do the articling recruit so there is that.
  18. Hey, Bond can't be that bad if you can land at Blakes! In all seriousness to the OP, I would just stick to business at this point in time.
  19. Not really. I was almost assured of a hireback early on in my articles, but they were still not sure and I did not get anything in writing, so I told my employers that I had Associate interviews with other firms and asked if I would be able to take 1 hour off here and there to do the interview. They welcomed my transparency and knew that as articling students, this was a standard process and we needed the job to pay off our student loans, and encouraged me to attend as many interviews as I could. Sounds to me like your entire approach to this was all wrong and you just made excuses for yourself at every turn.
  20. My employer did not inform the articling students of hirebacks (and no hirebacks) until a few days before the articling period ended. This was also a structured environment where they had the resources to inform students early on and hireback as many as they wanted. Nope, I do not think you were treated unfairly whatsoever. Have you ever been employed before? Unless you get something in writing and sign the papers, or at least a firm oral promise from someone reliable extending you an offer, you should never presume that your contract has been extended or you have been hired back. Welcome to the real world.
  21. Dal. There are a lot more Dal alumni working in Toronto than Calgary. Some employers may also ask why you went to Calgary if you're an Ontario resident and want to work in Ontario, while most won't ask why you went to Dal.
  22. If this is a concern, then I'd encourage you to go on LinkedIn and actually look at whether students have landed at the ICC from King's College London when you have schools like HYS, Oxbridge, LSE, etc.
  23. This may be a somewhat controversial point of discussion as it relates a lot to fit as well, but I've noticed that the corporate world in general loves varsity athletes. Most of the students that played on the sports teams at my law school and others whom were former athletes all ended up on Bay Street.
  24. And who makes the call as to which courses are easier or more difficult? Does this not depend on an individual's personal strengths and weaknesses? Fore sure consideration would be given to applicants with degrees in mathematics, engineering, and computer science, but beyond this, who knows.
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