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  1. It may be possible if one does a dual degree in Canada/US and writes a US Bar. But I don't know anyone that's gotten a coveted public interest, government, or public defender job in the US this way.
  2. How many public interest employers and criminal law firms/sole practitioners do you think are spending time and resources into recruiting law students years in advance? The traditional recruitment that takes place in law school is focused on Biglaw and other private practice employers. If you want to do public interest work in New York, then you should attend a regional school that is located there or a T-14.
  3. It will be like this for many lawyers even outside of criminal law. Just think about the clients you want to serve and adjust your expectations accordingly. If you want to serve HNW individuals and institutions then you can expect to be paid better.
  4. I had predicted we might start getting questions like this here. Didn't think it would happen so soon. https://www.osgoode.yorku.ca/programs/juris-doctor/jd-program/clinics-intensives/ For criminal law, Osgoode has the CLASP Criminal Divison, Innocence Project, and Intensive Program in Criminal Law. It also has the most criminal law course offerings out of any law school in Canada. You can essentially take nothing but criminal law after 1L if you want to. I fail to see how you would benefit from attending Ryerson if your interest lies in criminal law. "but a part of me can’t help but ponder the “what ifs” of being part of the first class of a new program that will undoubtedly rise in popularity and credibility in a few years" We don't know yet what will happen. They said the same thing about Ted Rogers School of Management many years ago and it is still nowhere near the levels of Ivey, Queen's commerce, Rotman, Schulich, Desautels, etc. Osgoode is the oldest law school in Ontario. It's had over 100 years to become as established as it currently is. Ryerson may become established as well but this will likely be later in our lifetime.
  5. See, I can understand this hustle if you were young, single and didn't have many responsibilities. But if you're struggling to make time to even kiss your baby in the morning before work, then there is a problem. What do you imagine your relationship with your child is going to look like down the road? Plenty of time for hobbies in your 60s? Who knows if you or I will still be alive by that point. Sounds morose, yes, but age does start to kick in. Life is short. If you want to spend the next couple of decades chasing the tails of senior bosses, paying off loans, and making money, that is your choice. But you should expect to make some serious sacrifices doing this, which will likely lead to regrets and unhappiness. Make time for your baby at least, man. That child deserves to have both parents in his/her life.
  6. Are you a sole practitioner or do you work with other criminal lawyers?
  7. You're on two extreme ends right now and not seeing the middle. What about teaching and policy (teacher's college or master's in public policy)? What about transferring into other business programs (BMOS at Western or another school altogether)? What about law enforcement? What about social work? What about counseling? What about doing a minor or double major in computer science or information technology? There are a lot of career paths out there. Statistically, most university graduates do not work in a field related to their field of study. Most of them also do not pursue further graduate or professional schooling. You need to expand your horizons and explore the job market. Maybe get a coffee with some lawyers and ask them about their daily routine. Burnout rates are high and if you want to spend the next 50+ years of your life doing something you hate because your 20 year old self didn't think they could do anything with a history degree, then you will be quite miserable. I'm not passionate about law. But I wanted to explore this path and see where this journey would take me. Don't pursue something out of desperation or it can come back to bite you in the ass. Do some research into the actual field you will be going into. P.S. Ivey HBA is not harder to get into than most law schools in Canada. It may not be as competitive as medical school admissions, but to say that an undergraduate business program has higher requirements than law school admissions is misleading.
  8. The answers to almost all your questions can be found directly on their website. Read through their FAQ section and look at the admissions statistics - which is where CleanHands pulled the chart from above. You should be able to assess your own chances based on this information. The admissions process is outlined more clearly there.
  9. How often do you attend these family gatherings - once or twice a year? And these family members of yours - have they done anything tangible to benefit your life? If you continue with this train of thought, you will never be happy and will continue to compare yourself to some illusion that you think you need to attain. Let's say you did go to medical school. You become a family doctor as opposed to a neurosurgeon. Are you going to second-guess your life choices every time someone asks you why you went into family medicine instead of becoming a surgeon? It sounds like you are in first or second year undergrad. Maybe even still in high school. I'd focus on growth and independence at this point. Perhaps some time away from family would be good. Right now they're making you feel bad about your intended career choice. Tomorrow it will be about the guy or girl you bring home as your life partner. The day after that it will be about something else. Your classmates? 90% of them will never get into law or medicine. Who cares what they say. You will never see most of them again. You need to start looking at things from a larger point of view. It's you against the world and family are the people who support you and bring you up. It's not always about blood. You have to remain true to who you are.
  10. I didn't mean to insinuate that grades are not important. They are. I just meant that these employers are more forgiving if you have a couple B's on your transcript than traditional full-service firms because they also look at demonstrated interest. A couple of my peers articled with these employers in my year and they had lots of social justice involvement, clinical experience, heavy labour-focued courseloads, some had lots of prior union experience before coming to law school, etc.
  11. I can't speak about other markets. Toronto has the following employers doing the articling recruit (summer before 3L and during 3L): Caley Wray, Cavalluzzo, Dewart Gleason, Goldblatt, Koskie Minsky, MAG - Ministry of Labour, Ontario Nurses’ Association, Ontario Secondary School Teachers’ Federation, Toronto Transit Commission, Toronto Workers’ Health and Safety Legal Clinic, Unifor, United Steelworkers, Ursel Phillips Fellows Hopkinson, Workplace Safety and Insurance Board, Workplace Safety and Insurance Appeals Tribunal, Toronto District School Board, etc.
  12. I agree. There are lots of union/labour law positions in the articling recruit that look for demonstrated interest and are not so grades heavy. This is more what I was leaning towards.
  13. What do you want to do? Find an area of law that you do not only/primarily practice in large full-service firms and MILK it. e.g. family, criminal, labour and employment, wills and estates, immigration, civil litigation (this is a big one), etc. There are lots of articling opportunities in personal injury and insurance law areas if it interests you.
  14. Start a new thread because this one is 7 years old so chances are that that person is not here anymore. artsydork is still here though with a mod upgrade. 😊
  15. Since these are private businesses I assumed they'd pay higher. I don't know much about this field so any insight would be great!
  16. Is Aviva higher paying than the others? I'm a bit surprised the salaries are not at Biglaw level.
  17. https://www.legalaid.on.ca https://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/ Legal Aid Ontario and Ministry of the Attorney General are two separate entities. You can read more about their individual mandates here. There aren't too many social justice opportunities for law students and new lawyers. But there are still some non-profits hiring and many private practice lawyers doing pro bono work. Your GPA is great. Law schools focus on undergrad grades so you're fine. Kill the LSAT and you'll have your pick of the litter. Good luck!
  18. Ah, the good old days... http://www.slaw.ca/2019/02/26/the-cost-of-becoming-a-lawyer/
  19. I just looked at the tuition numbers. 35k/year? Jesus. I agree, this is an individual decision that OP will have to make for themselves. What I can tell OP is just my own situation. I went over six figures in debt for law school and have no regrets about my decision to attend Osgoode. I feel like it opened many doors for me that I may or may not have gotten elsewhere. I also personally feel that the reputation of the school gave me a small boost in the hireback process after my articles. Let's just say that the senior management were all glossy eyed over the Osgoode name, where it likely meant more in their time, than other schools.
  20. There are very few public law jobs for new lawyers. The differences between Ottawa and Osgoode to actually get a job in public law is frankly negligible. I wouldn't make a decision strictly on this basis. It is more likely than not that you will be starting your career in private practice. If you attend Ottawa because of its location, there are likely more opportunities to land a government internship. If you attend Osgoode because of its clinical programs, there are likely more opportunities to pursue public interest. Both are valuable experiences that will look good on a resume for public law jobs. Outside of the DOJ which doesn't hire many students to begin with, there are very, very few federal government jobs for new lawyers. Because of government cuts and hiring freezes, the Ministry of Attorney General in Ontario has also reduced its hiring. In any event, both Osgoode and Ottawa students land jobs at the MAG. Many of my peers from Osgoode did their articles with the MAG. There aren't a ton of opportunities to work for the municipality out of law school, with the City of Toronto hiring the most students. You have equal chances of landing there out of any law school. Frankly, if you got into U of T or Osgoode, go there. U of T has a great internship program with the UN. I'd go to U of T for the following reasons: It's considered by many to be the best law school in Canada; has a smaller class size than Osgoode and Ottawa; and most students there will be gunning for corporate jobs. Thus, you can easily stand out to land some big public law focused internships and maybe even a public law job. I work in public law. PM me if you have any questions.
  21. Dude, come on. This person worked hard to get into law school. Why poke fun at them now? Major congrats oceann. You're going to law school and on your way to becoming a lawyer. Wish you the best of luck in the rest of the process.
  22. I think there is some miscommunication in this thread. While there are a lot of sole practitioners/small firms hiring articling students for a mediocre wage or nothing at all, these positions still get many, many applications. I get numerous messages from Canadian law students and NCA/LPP candidates inquiring about articling positions and job opportunities. There is an oversaturation of candidates out there seeking articles/LPP placements, so even employers that do not pay anything can be relatively choosy when they get 100 applications for 1 or 2 positions. People are desperate to get their licensing requirements out of the way and employers know this. I've even had students from U of T and Osgoode reach out to me about articling/LPP placement prospects because that is how tough the job market has become. If you go on the Facebook Law Exchange Group, you will see at least 5 messages everyday from people with JDs and LLBs asking to work as legal assistants and law clerks, and asking for anybody to hire them on as an articling/LPP student. I know of at least two people from my year at Osgoode that articled for free. It is tough out there.
  23. Why don't you first ask to meet this lawyer for coffee? It is off-putting to have someone only contact you because they want a job, as opposed to building a real mentor-mentee relationship, friendship, network, etc.
  24. https://business.financialpost.com/executive/careers/howard-levitt?fbclid=IwAR0YZeC1iV9b7L0aowYG2s-Fyyty9Yy-yzt-zKruBvt_WacNgxioAvcEdmU
  25. https://lawstudents.ca/forums/topic/45047-why-are-people-still-applying-to-law-school-today/
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