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  1. Fair enough. It's difficult to get your foot in the door for public interest careers if you don't show demonstrated interest, though. Clinics are a great way to show the government and other legal employers that you're serious about pursuing these types of careers. I don't see a lot of Western and Queen's students pursue public interest careers, and I am not sure if it's just because most of them are not interested in pursuing them, or just have difficulty getting themselves in due to the lack of public interest offerings at these schools. In my year, Osgoode sweeped the jobs at MAG during the summer articling recruit and most of them were clinic students. Correlation may not equal causation, though in this case, I believe there was a strong correlation to the clinic experiences these students had.
  2. This may depend on the person. Were any of the clinics you're involved with directly related to the area/s of law you want to pursue? Did it help you land a competitive position in that field? It did for me which is why I give them a huge boost here. For example, I know the CLASP division leaders in family and criminal landed jobs at the Crown, MAG, and competitive boutiques due to their experience. Many of them landed at Biglaw firms as well and spoke extensively in their interviews about their 1 or more years of experience working on actual files and leading the division. Parkdale Worker's Rights students snagged jobs at competitive labour and employment firms. Osgoode is one of the only schools that offers immigration clinics and this helped students in my year land immigration jobs as well. I would say that if you were more interested in personal services and public interest, the clinics are certainly worth the extra 42k in my books. It may not be as helpful in the job recruit if you're gunning for business law, though there are plenty of opportunities through the Business Clinic, Advanced Business Law Workshops, IP Law & Technology Intensive Program, and Investor Protection Clinic.
  3. It sounds like you're looking for a guarantee when there is none. This question ultimately comes down to regrets. Will you have any regrets later down the road for not having pursued your life-long dream of law school? I mean, people take bigger risks by attending foreign law schools and the Windsor/Detroit Mercy program which are a lot more expensive. Nobody here can really help you make a decision for you, but I also would not go into law school with this Bay Street or Bust mentality. There are a lot of different and interesting opportunities in law and you may come to love something other than corporate law. Go in with an open mentality and see where this journey takes you. I went to law school with students who had 100k+ in previous debt owing and they're all doing fine now, pursuing careers that they enjoy and can grow in. Not all of them went into corporate law and Bay Street either.
  4. A lot more opportunities to immerse yourself in: https://www.osgoode.yorku.ca/programs/juris-doctor/experiential-education/internship-programs/ https://www.osgoode.yorku.ca/programs/juris-doctor/jd-program/clinics-intensives/ https://www.osgoode.yorku.ca/pro-bono-students-canada/ https://www.osgoode.yorku.ca/courses-and-seminars/ https://www.osgoode.yorku.ca/programs/juris-doctor/student-clubs-organizations/ Also, this may or may not matter to you but Osgoode is more diverse than Western in terms of its student body, even going beyond race and ethnicity; there are a lot more mature students in the class with interesting work and life experiences.
  5. Osgoode has a strong business law presence, but it's just as strong in many other areas as well. After 1L, you can literally take nothing but crim courses in 2L and 3L. The school has the largest selection of clinical intensive programs in the country. For the OP's interests, there is the Innocence Project, CLASP criminal division, and Criminal Intensive Program. The school also has some topnotch criminal law faculty. So this is what I meant by being more balanced. There is no doubt a strong corporate law presence, but someone interested in other areas of law can focus their education and experience in those areas. Western only seems to focus on business and not much else. I'd only pick Western here if the cost differences are significant enough to do so.
  6. I personally find Western too focused on business law while Osgoode is just more balanced and broad with its clinical intensives, internships, courses, and diverse student body. It depends on what you're looking to get out of your law school experience. I strongly believe that there are more opportunities to delve into other areas of law including business at Osgoode, while there may be fewer such opportunities at Western. For example, if you want to do criminal law, I'd take Osgoode in a heartbeat. Reputation aside, we can provide more directed advice if you give us more information on what you're looking for.
  7. Which areas/s of law are hot right now that you've been looking into?
  8. See the Western and Queen's reddit subs for general information on these universities and life in Kingston and London. You can go to U of T and practice aboriginal law and go to Queen's and practice corporate law. You'll get relatively the same legal education at both law schools and first year courses are already set in stone with you. You'll have choice in 2L and 3L to pick and choose courses and clinics based on your interests. Both Western and Queen's are more heavily leaning towards branding themselves as corporate law schools now, but this does not mean that you cannot practice in other areas. The area of law you practice has largely nothing to do with the law school you attend and more so your own personal interests. Queen's does have a B+ curve for most of its classes which is worth noting and traditionally they have been known for criminal (not so much anymore), family, and employment law as well. I find that most Western students who end up in Toronto either work in business law or civil litigation (personal injury and insurance defence). Again, that simply indicates the interests of the individual and job market.
  9. I know a Bond Gold Medalist and he got an articling position in Canada through connections and networking (had previously worked with this employer in a non-legal capacity for a number of years before going to law school). This was the best that the gold medalist from Bond could do who is a White Canadian with Bachelor's and Master's degrees from Canadian universities. I'm certainly not sold on Bond as a great law school.
  10. I definitely would not pick a law school based on your interest in a niche specialization like sports and entertainment law which less than 10% of lawyers practice in Canada.
  11. No offence, but just how many law school applicants do you think have a 99th percentile on the LSAT?
  12. This is hilarious. I'm in like 4 of the Osgoode class Facebook groups, including one that was the previous year before I joined, and nobody gives a shit. 0Ls already feeling the stress of 1L?
  13. https://law.queensu.ca/programs/combined-degrees/civil-common
  14. Go to Ottawa. I'm pretty sure the articling rate at almost every law school in Canada is above 90% and most of them don't tell you where the students are working, in which areas of law, and how much they're being paid. The LPP is also going to now be a permanent integrated alternative to articling come 2021 so I wouldn't let this be a concern. While there may be less competition for certain positions at Western, there will also be fewer opportunities in those areas. Ottawa has more course breadth, diversity, clinics, social justice oriented internships, and certainly a larger pull with government jobs. Ottawa also consistently places a fair number of students in the government for summer and articling jobs. For many students, I recommend Western over Ottawa, but they have different education and career objectives than you do. I wouldn't go to Ottawa if Bay Street was my goal, but I'd certainly go there if social justice, clinical opportunities, RA positions, mooting, and government jobs were of primary interest to me.
  15. Unsurprisingly, I get asked by laypeople a lot if I watch this show, and when I tell them I got bored after season 2 and quit and it's a highly unrealistic depiction of corporation law and law in general, they get surprised by my comments. Must be an interesting show for others though if it's in its 8th season.
  16. Toronto OCI numbers: http://ultravires.ca/wp/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Recruitment-Special.pdf ultravires.ca/wp/wp-content/.../2018/03/UV-February-2018-Recruitment-Special.pdf http://ultravires.ca/2018/11/toronto-2l-hiring-numbers/
  17. Fantastic results and major, major congratulations! Welcome to the field of law. Please note that posts cannot be edited after the 1 hour mark, should you wish to keep some of your information confidential.
  18. There is no participation prize here. We're not in elementary school anymore. These shouldn't be on your resume. Edit: You actually DID the Lerner's Moot, so can maybe include that on a resume. But "trying out" for upper year moots? Nope.
  19. You're from Toronto and want to practice in Toronto? This shouldn't be a question. Go to Queen's.
  20. Just to clarify this statement, this is the first year that Queen's has placed more students on Bay Street than Western. Traditionally, it's always Western placing more students there than Queen's. Also, just browsing through their faculty profiles here, most of them don't look that young to me. https://law.uwo.ca/about_us/faculty/index.html https://law.queensu.ca/about/faculty-members Looks about the same. In respect to cheaper costs, the tuition is around 22k and I don't know how much financial aid and bursaries they give. Students have reported getting more money from other more expensive schools through bursaries and scholarships, so if anyone is in this same boat, it's worth considering as well. Despite the living costs, it does seem like you may save a lot more in tuition costs at UBC. Worth looking into.
  21. Honestly, most students I know who landed 2L jobs during the OCI recruit just relaxed, travelled, and worked a non-law related part-time job. There are RA positions as well you could do.
  22. From my graduating class of 2018, I only know of 4 in New York right now. I asked the CDO and they said it was around that number. There's 2 clerking at the Court of Appeal who would probably go the New York route after they're done. The two clerking at SCC are pursuing public interest and social justice careers.
  23. More than 12 students a year from McGill are placing at NYC firms every year? First post made immediately after new account was created too. OP, I'd advise you to take this with caution. Who knows, maybe it's true, but I'd wait for confirmation from other established posters here to respond.
  24. Be realistic. Your chances of landing New York from any of those schools is slim to none. New York firms almost exclusively recruit from U of T only now, particularly their JD/MBA program. Maybe 1-3 students from other schools like Osgoode, McGill, and Queen's will land them, but this could be due to a variety of factors - specialized background, connections, grades in the top 5% of their class, JD/MBAs, etc. Tuition costs are significantly different between UBC and Osgoode/Queen's. If you're hoping to practice in BC, is it worth the extra costs? If you do well at UBC, you can still apply for Toronto OCIs and articling and land a job here. Nobody in Ontario is going to scoff at a law degree from UBC. Toronto OCI numbers: http://ultravires.ca/wp/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Recruitment-Special.pdf ultravires.ca/wp/wp-content/.../2018/03/UV-February-2018-Recruitment-Special.pdf http://ultravires.ca/2018/11/toronto-2l-hiring-numbers/ That said, these are some factors that would weigh in favour of Osgoode; the school does have a more national/international reach than UBC and Queen's: https://www.osgoode.yorku.ca/programs/juris-doctor/experiential-education/internship-programs/ https://www.osgoode.yorku.ca/programs/juris-doctor/jd-program/clinics-intensives/ https://www.osgoode.yorku.ca/pro-bono-students-canada/ https://www.osgoode.yorku.ca/courses-and-seminars/
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